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This is a response to: And you should check out Australia, Belarus, Hong Kong, Hungary, Kuwait, Netherlands, Poland, ... in fact, most other countries.
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And you should check out: The Mistake of Only Comparing US Murder Rates to "Developed" Countries
01/11/17 11:26 PM




Much of the political thinking about violence in the United States comes from unfavorable comparisons between the United States and a series of cherry-picked countries with lower murder rates and with fewer guns per capita. We’ve all seen it many times. The United States, with a murder rate of approximately 5 per 100,000 is compared to a variety of Western and Central European countries (also sometimes Japan) with murder rates often below 1 per 100,000. This is, in turn, supposed to fill Americans with a sense of shame and illustrate that the United States should be regarded as some sort of pariah nation because of its murder rate.

Note, however, that these comparisons always employ a carefully selected list of countries, most of which are very unlike the United States. They are countries that were settled long ago by the dominant ethnic group, they are ethnically non-diverse today, they are frequently very small countries (such as Norway, with a population of 5 million) with very locally based democracies (again, unlike the US with an immense population and far fewer representatives in government per voter). Politically, historically, and demographically, the US has little in common with Europe or Japan.

https://mises.org/blog/mistake-only-comparing-us-murder-rates-developed-countries

Wondering what your excuses will be now.

Pay it forward ~ Deb

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* How Japan has almost eradicated gun crime
petite6
01/09/17 01:25 PM
xx * *applauds* NT
PointBeing
01/11/17 05:28 PM
xx * 33,599!!!!? NT
Beard
01/09/17 02:12 PM
xx * I didn't do further research but that is what it says according to Wiki NT
petite6
01/09/17 02:19 PM
xx * Doesn't anyone else think 33,599 is a tad outrageous? What will it take to convince Americans that doing more of the same isn't the solution? NT
Beard
01/09/17 06:07 PM
xx * i thought it would be a lot more. Think of all of the gun related deaths that are later or never discovered NT
PointBeing
01/11/17 05:27 PM
xx * Really, more than 33,600 in a year? I knew it was horrific, but I never would have guessed that high. What the hell is wrong with America? NT
Beard
01/11/17 05:43 PM
xx * You should check out Mexico & Brazil. NT
debbiedu22
01/11/17 06:20 PM
xx * And you should check out Australia, Belarus, Hong Kong, Hungary, Kuwait, Netherlands, Poland, ... in fact, most other countries.
Beard
01/11/17 08:58 PM
xx * And you should check out: The Mistake of Only Comparing US Murder Rates to "Developed" Countries
debbiedu22
01/11/17 11:26 PM
xx * Debs there is no way you'd compare our beloved Patriots to the Browns. When you are a top team, you look to other top teams in a well implemented
petite6
01/12/17 05:50 AM
xx * That article is largely nonsense. Who should the US be compared to, if not other developed countries? And as for “cherry picked” countries,
Beard
01/12/17 12:17 AM
xx * THIS is why I intensely dislike having a convo w/you. You want links, then you decide you don't like the links. I'm done ~ tired of wasting time. NT
debbiedu22
01/12/17 12:22 AM
xx * I did ask for a link, but for a link to your assertion that most of the guns were coming from Honduras and Mexico. Still don't have that one,
Beard
01/12/17 09:48 AM
xx * im sorry but im not crazy about that blog as a source either... :/ NT
kalliopes82
01/12/17 01:13 AM
xx * I agree. It was largely an opinion piece with cherry picked data to match his point of view. NT
cantgetenough
01/12/17 05:09 AM
xx * Well ... I'm sure you'll agree we need to do something about this:
moonscape53
01/11/17 08:32 PM
xx * Where do you think a large majority of the guns are coming from???? Honduras & Mexico. Yes, we're working on fixing that. I'm not getting
debbiedu22
01/11/17 08:42 PM
xx * We might have different ideas on how to solve the
moonscape53
01/11/17 09:37 PM
xx * Don't you have to agree that there's a problem before you can disagree on the solution? NT
Beard
01/11/17 09:46 PM
xx * The large majority of guns are coming from Honduras & Mexico? I'd really like to see a source on that little factoid. NT
Beard
01/11/17 08:48 PM
xx * There's this thing called Google...give it a try. Adios, Beard. NT
debbiedu22
01/11/17 08:50 PM
xx * Since you made the assertion, it is really your responsibility to provide the foundation. Those are kind of the rules around here. However,
Beard
01/11/17 09:08 PM
xx * Damn, those pesky facts. Au Revior NT
BlondeMoment
01/11/17 09:50 PM
xx * TTFN NT
Beard
01/11/17 10:12 PM
xx * Have you checked out the numbers? You might be surprised. NT
BlondeMoment
01/11/17 08:11 PM
xx * And right on cue, there she is. Yes, I checked them...shocking! Adios. NT
debbiedu22
01/11/17 08:14 PM
xx * I'm sorry have you missed me? NT
BlondeMoment
01/11/17 08:17 PM
xx * Lol, Deb. Forever, hold your piece. NT
LibraLady
01/11/17 07:09 PM
xx * you've become a MG LL, I like!! NT
petite6
01/11/17 07:39 PM
xx * LOL :) NT
debbiedu22
01/11/17 07:38 PM
xx * Why should I do that, do conditions there somehow speak to the problem in the US? NT
Beard
01/11/17 06:43 PM
xx * Ooooops, I forgot...check out Honduras. Oy vey. NT
debbiedu22
01/11/17 07:49 PM
xx * I live here not Honduras. NT
BlondeMoment
01/11/17 08:12 PM
xx * Oh, so that's the point: as long as there is somewhere else that is worse, then everything is fine at home.
Beard
01/11/17 08:04 PM
xx * We'll catch up NT
moonscape53
01/11/17 07:59 PM
xx * Don't think so. NT
debbiedu22
01/11/17 08:03 PM
xx * The 1% NT
PointBeing
01/11/17 06:01 PM
xx * Nothing. NRA is more powerful than reason. NT
sneakypie
01/10/17 04:16 AM

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