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Did the fans ruin BB15 more than anything else did? The answer is Yes.
09/19/13 04:39 AM




A very dear, wise person once told me: Those who are overly sensitive to everything they read/watch aren’t very sensitive to how the world works.

While the behavior and language used by some of the HG’s this season really brought it down, I truly believe that more than anything, some of the fans contributed to my overall distaste for Big Brother 15 this summer. I could not get on Jokers or Twitter… or ANY Internet-based BB community for that matter without seeing an unprecedented amount of hatred, vitriol, and just plain ignorance. Yes, some of the HG’s said TERRIBLE things (as has happened in MANY of the previous season, just on a much lesser scale). I am sure that many people have heard the bad things that were said before. What’s worse is how instead of contributing to the discussion that could have been held on race, sexual orientation, etc. it was basically ignored in favor of WAITING for the next person to say the next bad thing.

I do not excuse anything. I really do not. I truly believe that Aaryn did not understand her own issues with the things she said, but I actually disliked her more for her acidic, childish attitude. It wasn’t WHAT Aaryn was saying… it was the WAY she said it (rolling her eyes, whiny, entitled, self-righteous). I don’t know if Aaryn will learn from this, but I am sure she won’t be able to avoid it.

GM said some NASTY things about Elissa and a few others. I do not excuse any of her comments. But guess what? I rooted for GM because, objectively, I thought she played a decent game and I was decently surprised by her abilities in a SOCIAL game where the things she said should have contributed to her demise. But she covered her bases… unlike many others. I don’t think she was a mastermind by any means & I think she lucked into a good spot about halfway through, but hey, it’s Big Brother, and if you can make it to the end, you deserve to be there.

I don’t think Spencer should have EVER joked about child pornography. Obviously. But the ***** he said was taken ENTIRELY out of context and he was vilified in a way that did not necessarily reflect the truth behind his words. That is my opinion, and I know millions would disagree. The bottom line is he shouldn’t have said that, but he did, and the best thing the viewers could have done was see that he was not being serious. Shouldn’t it be enough that he likely lost his job?

Amanda probably fundamentally was the worst… yet she was given a free pass by MANY who despised Aaryn, GM and Spencer. A lot of people turned on her after her early popularity, but I still think there were loads of double standards that so many fans didn’t even understand.

In short, yes, Big Brother is meant to be a controversial show. God forbid it actually present issues that are VERY alive and real in this country, still to this day. I am 23-years-old and I learned a lot about cultural appropriation, as well as the difference between racism and just not knowing when to keep your fool mouth shut. It is possible to make a derogatory race-related comment and not be a racist. It is possible to say "that's gay!" and not be homophobic. Every Comedy Central special you’ve watched or stand-up comedian you have seen has likely implemented racial/sexual themes in their acts, and I bet that you laughed along with the rest of the people who did…but you probably aren’t racist.

At the end of the day, if you want to direct your outrage and hatred for the HG’s at anybody, blame the industry that has thrived off of ensuring that minorities will never truly be represented or understood: Hollywood... instead of trolling the Internet and not using LOGIC/COMMON SENSE/YOUR BRAIN to see the truth.

Categorically, Big Brother 15 will go down as one of the worst seasons ever… when ironically, it was maybe one of the most harshly real depictions of majority-minority relations in America. It may not have been as fun as BB14, or as rigged as BB13 (thank God), but it will surely never be forgotten. When a reality show can transcend it’s own scripting (Diary Room) and awful competitions to actually focus on a greater social issue... that is something that needs to happen more often. If only the producers could have handled it a little bit better…

Edited (09/19/13 04:50 AM)

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* Did the fans ruin BB15 more than anything else did? The answer is Yes.
tv_savage
09/19/13 04:39 AM
xx * By your own words.....
CheeseFries
10/10/13 06:28 AM
xx * They are to blame for what they did. And fans are to blame for the way they reacted, in distressingly large numbers NT
frustratedposter
10/11/13 07:52 PM
xx * the fact remains, had the HG's not been so vile, the fans wouldnt have reacted in the way they did. its not the fans fault this season was horrid NT
CheeseFries
10/12/13 05:11 AM
xx * so if Jeopardy started infusing racial slurs & pedophile comments into the game, fans of the show should just roll with it? Ha! I THINK NOT!! NT
spikewells
10/08/13 06:21 PM
xx * You make absolutely no sense. BB producers did not "infuse racial slurs/pedophile comments" into the game. That is the product of an unscripted format
tv_savage
11/05/13 12:44 AM
xx * I think for this reason it's gonna get harder and harder to find people willing to do BB. To do the show is to ask for intense scrutiny of your
FurnitureAlliance
11/05/13 01:23 AM
xx * Perhaps that is why so many cast members are brainless and vapid these days :) NT
tv_savage
11/08/13 03:50 PM
xx * Exactly. NT
CJinIowa
10/08/13 06:31 PM
xx * The answer is NO. The racist, misogynistic, homophobic hg's ruined it for everyone. NT
DaisyChain
10/07/13 03:23 PM
xx * I want to respond to the part about Spencer.
ellen8
09/27/13 06:58 AM
xx * lather. rinse. repeat NT
naomii
09/26/13 01:57 AM
xx * They ruin it by trying to "force" their way of life onto others. Posts show they try and force the way people(on BB & in forums)talk, think and act NT
Pugsley
09/22/13 10:53 PM
xx * This is true. I feel like a lot of people want everyone to march in goose-step. Personally I prefer live and let live NT
FurnitureAlliance
09/26/13 05:24 PM
xx * One might even say they try to bully people into falling in line with their point of view NT
FurnitureAlliance
09/23/13 02:06 PM
xx * Logic, reason, calling for the treatment of others with a modicum of basic decency is not bullying. NT
Blockhead
09/23/13 02:40 PM
xx * *Faulty logic NT
tv_savage
09/23/13 03:28 PM
xx * Hardly. It's human decency NT
CJinIowa
09/25/13 09:01 PM
xx * Ah, the tyranny of "human decency", which can mean whatever you want it to mean. NT
Ephandis
10/01/13 07:59 AM
xx * So if I say I try to treat others as I would like to be treated that makes me tyrannical? That's a new one to me. NT
FeministKilljoy
10/01/13 08:27 AM
xx * Yeah, basic politeness equals tyranny. Makes perfect sense. NT
Blockhead
10/01/13 08:33 AM
xx * But there is no universal definition! We are tyrants! How should we now proceed with our agenda of decency? Oh, the power, can you feel it? NT
FeministKilljoy
10/01/13 08:41 AM
xx * Start by saying "hello" and "please" and "thank you" to people and if they don't reciprocate then just keep doing it to the next person. NT
Blockhead
10/01/13 08:44 AM
xx * Sounds dangerous. Heh. :) NT
FeministKilljoy
10/01/13 08:47 AM
xx * I'm with Pugsley on this one. NT
madjellybean
09/23/13 01:32 PM
xx * Agree absolutely with everything you said except; "Categorically, Big Brother 15 will go down as one of the worst seasons ever…".....
bb4peeker
09/22/13 04:04 AM
xx * You nailed it - categorically, meaning when people look back and recall what their least favorite/worst season was, BB15 will spring to mind NT
tv_savage
09/22/13 03:34 PM
xx * This actually was one of my favorite seasons! NT
bb4peeker
09/29/13 03:28 AM
xx * I liked it as well, but I liked BB9, too, and in general, people tend to look back on that season with dissatisfaction NT
tv_savage
10/01/13 01:54 PM
xx * What a great post! It's so nice to read a totally rational, reasonable post! NT
ShrewLou
09/21/13 07:32 PM
xx * How could the fans ruin BB15 when they had only a little bit of influence at the beginning of the game with the MVP vote? It seems you just didn't
jovoh
09/21/13 02:44 AM
xx * To be as specific as possible, a "collection" of fans ruined the "experience" of Big Brother 15 for me. I actually don't dislike this past season...
tv_savage
09/21/13 04:34 AM
xx * Yeah, I just felt that you were baiting us by not including "for me" in the thread title. NT
jovoh
09/26/13 05:18 AM
xx * Wow, tv, I have so much respect for you. You said it better than I ever could. NT
FurnitureAlliance
09/21/13 07:19 PM
xx * Thank you! NT
tv_savage
09/21/13 08:17 PM
xx * Thanks for writing what I didn't have time to! agree! NT
cynmhutc
09/20/13 11:14 PM
xx * Great post TV. You said pretty much what I have felt all season. NT
jerrijan
09/20/13 11:05 PM
xx * Thank you, tv. Such a well-written article deserves to be published, it's that good. And you're only 23? APPLY FOR BB ASAP NT
FurnitureAlliance
09/20/13 07:24 PM
xx * Thanks for the love, FurnitureAlliance! You're the best!! NT
tv_savage
09/20/13 10:37 PM
xx * ;) NT
FurnitureAlliance
09/21/13 07:23 PM
xx * While I agree with you on the reactions of the fans, that isn't what ruined BB 15 for me. It did make me realize that their are a lot of people in
trifecta
09/20/13 08:40 AM
xx * Helen's strategy was so transparent, but being newbies they didn't see through it. Yes she was awful and I can't believe they let her get away with
FurnitureAlliance
09/20/13 07:37 PM
xx * "STFU Helen!" ITA, it didn't help that there was not a whole lot going on in the game to distract me from some of the crazy fans NT
tv_savage
09/20/13 03:51 PM
xx * If the fans had nothing to talk about this would not be an issue. You're not putting the blame where it belongs. The BB15 cast said and did all that
Caramel
09/20/13 05:15 AM
xx * No, not exactly. I encourage discussion on racism & homophobia. I discourage the perpetuation of "facts" that are not true NT
tv_savage
09/20/13 03:53 PM
xx * By the way no the fans did NOT ruin BB15. This season was one big house vote. That's why it was awful, not because of Twitter conversations. NT
UnproductiveBB
09/19/13 10:27 PM
xx * You contradict yourself though. You say.. (inside)
UnproductiveBB
09/19/13 10:25 PM
xx * You are one person, but many many people called for the houseguests to be silenced one way or another NT
FurnitureAlliance
09/20/13 07:40 PM
xx * Objecting to racism and homophobia is great. Calling Spencer a pedophile when he is not one is not right. NT
tv_savage
09/20/13 03:50 AM
xx * He sure thinks like one, the things that came out of his mouth are always sexual who even thinks about someone drinking 55 gals of c** NT
AprilSky
09/20/13 05:03 AM
xx * Someone trying to be shocking? I just don't follow how he thought like a pedophile... NT
tv_savage
09/20/13 05:13 AM
xx * People I know don't think it's funny to joke about toddlers being raped in a basement. NT
CJinIowa
09/20/13 05:27 AM
xx * Same! It sucks that they cast someone that said that, but what formula would one go about predicintg whether Spe would make jokes like that? NT
tv_savage
09/20/13 05:30 AM
xx * How about simply asking potential HGs in interviews if they find jokes about raping children to be funny? With Spencer, it was not a one-time thing.
chicagoloopy
09/24/13 06:07 PM
xx * Not sure but it still doesn't make it right or a joke. NT
CJinIowa
09/20/13 05:58 AM
xx * Does it make it ok to call Spencer a pedophile when we know the police have gone through his house and hard drive and found nothing. There have
FurnitureAlliance
09/20/13 07:44 PM
xx * who's calling him a pedophile???? OMG! Wow... NT
LuckyLizzie74
09/26/13 05:23 PM
xx * Read all the comments NT
FurnitureAlliance
09/26/13 05:28 PM
xx * I don't think anyone has called him a pedophile but it is impossible to prove he is not one. NT
Blockhead
09/26/13 05:30 PM
xx * and again, following your same logic, it is impossible to prove that he is one NT
tv_savage
09/27/13 02:52 PM
xx * Calling him out for joking about babies being raped in a basement is different. NT
CJinIowa
09/20/13 04:58 AM
xx * How do you know for a fact he is not a pedophile? What proof do you have? NT
Blockhead
09/20/13 04:03 AM
xx * Are we now Guilty until proven Innocent? This is where I think we are crossing a line. The police have been involved and cleared him. NT
LuckyLizzie74
09/26/13 05:24 PM
xx * The police investigated and cleared Gary Ridgway in the Green River killer case. He went on to murder at least 70 women. Cops can screw up. NT
Blockhead
09/26/13 05:29 PM
xx * Seriously?? Oh good lord. I'm sorry but really?? Wow... NT
LuckyLizzie74
09/27/13 10:38 AM
xx * I knooooow... NT
tv_savage
09/27/13 02:53 PM
xx * It does take a warped mind to even go there...so, yeah. NT
laurajhuff
09/22/13 10:06 AM
xx * Please... NT
tv_savage
09/20/13 04:48 AM
xx * Please, what? NT
Blockhead
09/20/13 04:50 AM
xx * Please calm down. NT
tv_savage
09/20/13 05:14 AM
xx * I'm perfectly calm. I have seen no evidence to prove that Spencer is not a pedophile and have inquired for the basis of that claim.
Blockhead
09/20/13 05:22 AM
xx * I think this country's motto is "innocent until proven guilty..." but nice try NT
tv_savage
09/20/13 10:43 PM
xx * So the police investigation instigated by Union Pacific wasn't good enough to prove it? It turned up no evidence of pedophilia. NT
FurnitureAlliance
09/20/13 07:46 PM
xx * No, not at all. Gary Ridgeway was the Green River Killer and early in the investigation he was questioned, polygraphed, released and eliminated as
Blockhead
09/23/13 02:38 PM
xx * :) i like the way you think. NT
cynmhutc
09/20/13 08:37 PM
xx * In that case, it is impossible to prove ANYONE is not a pedophile. NT
cynmhutc
09/20/13 01:31 PM
xx * Right. So he may or may not be a pedophile. Just like McCrae. NT
tv_savage
09/20/13 05:28 AM
xx * More than most if he was in fact investigated. Or at least good at not leave breadcrumbs behind NT
frustratedposter
09/20/13 04:36 AM
xx * It is...what it is. Nothing ruined. BB15 -- a big mirror of our times from HGs AND fans...for better and for worse. NT
BBenthusiast
09/19/13 04:10 PM
xx * ITA! NT
tv_savage
09/20/13 05:15 AM
xx * you give us too much credit, you can't ruin something that is already destroyed. NT
spikewells
09/19/13 03:01 PM
xx * Let’s Break Down Just Which Fans
Mikentosh
09/19/13 10:23 AM
xx * Re-education camps for Big Brother houseguests? That's a bit much. Let them reflect on what has happened. Let them grow from this. I wish them
FurnitureAlliance
09/20/13 07:56 PM
xx * For the record, I have always loved Jokers and the community here so I hope that none of the fans here took what I said to heart...
tv_savage
09/20/13 04:57 AM
xx * I agree with Mikentosh that a lot of those people were probably not regulars, just people pushing an agenda and then disappearing again NT
FurnitureAlliance
09/20/13 08:02 PM
xx * I think he nailed it and so did you in your concise description. That was the problem this season. NT
BBAnnie
09/23/13 09:14 AM
xx * I am shocked about you Mikentosh.....
Sizzle
09/19/13 12:00 PM
xx * No, but Mom enjoys it. Seldom I can enjoy an episode when there is someone with a bigger problem than wanting to be on TV. NT
Mikentosh
09/19/13 08:24 PM
xx * Not to mention Dr. Phil himself! It's easy to call someone stupid for their actions, quite another to actually help someone with a problem. NT
FurnitureAlliance
09/20/13 08:06 PM
xx * Thank you for this! NT
MaryAnn
09/19/13 11:13 AM
xx * ITA, especially your first few sentences. I've never been a fan of the PC Police, and the PC Police were on steroids this season.
JAF
09/19/13 09:36 AM
xx * It sucks when the PC Police label everything. NT
Blockhead
09/19/13 11:47 AM
xx * By definition BIG BROTHER= P C, ill be the first to point out knee jerk reactions , but thats not whats this is NT
AprilSky
09/19/13 09:47 AM
xx * I hate that it migrated so much from BBD to Media & News, etc. ... it's easy to stay out of BBD, like to keep up in other forums NT
Bilbo
09/19/13 09:42 AM
xx * Yes, the usage of Celebrity Dirty Laundry for "News" was horrifying. NT
tv_savage
09/20/13 05:00 AM
xx * It also spoiled the BB InDepth Forum for me this season. NT
Sizzle
09/19/13 12:02 PM
xx * Okay let's pretend all those comments didn't happen. What were you actually going to discuss? Reality: season 15 lacked gaming. NT
UnproductiveBB
09/21/13 05:33 AM
xx * I guess Amanda wasn't intending to hurt Elissa with the sr door she always opens doors with such might and anger NT
AprilSky
09/19/13 09:28 AM
xx * Ridiculous to blame the fans. Production was absolutely complicit in the disaster that was BB15 so blaming them is justified but...
MaryAnn
09/19/13 09:05 AM
xx * Personally, I thought the original concept of BB was to cast controversial people... maybe not to THIS extreme, but...
tv_savage
09/20/13 05:12 AM
xx * Original concept was not so much controversial people but people from different walks of life to see how they could learn to live together in a
BBAnnie
09/23/13 09:20 AM
xx * don't remember Karen at all but I still remember Jordan going on david letterman :) I think he had a crush NT
Belle
05/28/14 09:00 AM
xx * True... but we can't deny that over time, the "people from different walks of life" morphed into "people that might stir up controversy"
tv_savage
09/23/13 03:27 PM
xx * I won't disagree with that. I mean if you think about it Mega was controversial. Jordan was controversial. Even Karen and her issues made her
BBAnnie
09/24/13 09:33 AM
xx * Early BBs would cast gay people with Conservatives (Bunky & Kent), strippers with beauty queens, etc. They always want sparks to fly. NT
FurnitureAlliance
09/25/13 04:00 AM
xx * They do but I don't think they would ever have been cool with the level to which reality TV casts have sunk in the last five years or so. thanks
BBAnnie
09/25/13 08:27 AM
xx * I agree! Also think It's funny to look at the casts of reality shows from 2000/2001 and see how "real" people look compared to...
tv_savage
09/24/13 12:52 PM
xx * Your post should be the top post it is well thought out and a more accurate analysis. NT
ratts
09/19/13 10:50 AM
xx * THANK YOU! NT
AprilSky
09/19/13 09:15 AM
xx * What context does child porn go in exactly?!? NT
AprilSky
09/19/13 08:58 AM
xx * the context is that it was a joke about mcrae and had nothing to do with child porn. NT
BleacherBum
09/19/13 11:03 AM
xx * Child porn is not a joke in any context these ppl know they are being watched by the public and we had every right to react to stupidity not a joke NT
AprilSky
09/20/13 03:27 AM
xx * That doesn't make it not a joke. It was just a joke that you didn't like. NT
JAF
09/20/13 05:56 AM
xx * Actually it isn't a joke, at all. A toddler being penetrated while they lay there crying out in pain and fear is not a ha ha subject. This ruins
CJinIowa
09/20/13 05:57 AM
xx * People make jokes about the Holocaust. It happens. Doesn't mean they're going to go out and commit genocide. Cable humor is rife with it. NT
Ephandis
10/01/13 08:03 AM
xx * Which is irrelevant to whether he was using it as a joking razz vs seriously supporting it. Call it a terrible joke, or an inappropriate joke,
JAF
09/20/13 06:18 AM
xx * I found it inappropriate and inexcusable humor. It doesn't make him a pedophile but it just isn't something to be joked about IMHO. NT
BBAnnie
09/23/13 09:22 AM
xx * More specifically, he was trying to make production laugh on a boring night. Funny or not, it was intended as a joke. NT
FurnitureAlliance
09/20/13 08:38 PM
xx * But isn't it a lot more fun to be offended? Plus, it makes me look oh-so-saintly. NT
Ephandis
10/01/13 08:06 AM
xx * Excellent question. This "out of context" doesn't fly with me. I watched most of this on the feeds so it was IN context and extremely offensive. NT
Theory
09/19/13 09:13 AM
xx * out of context, meaning, Spencer's comment about jacking off to child porn was made bc he was trying to make McCrae sound like a creep/bad/whatever
tv_savage
09/20/13 05:22 AM
xx * Or that he really supports child porn because he happened to reference it in a joking razz. Hell, Dean Martin & Co did "roasts"
JAF
09/20/13 06:14 AM
xx * I wonder if he thought about what those babies went through while they were being subject to pain and fear and terror when he made that joke. NT
CJinIowa
09/20/13 05:59 AM
xx * Just because he failed to think of the consequences of his words does not mean it is not out of context NT
tv_savage
09/20/13 06:11 AM
xx * It's like someone razzing their friend by calling them an MF. Does that mean they really support the action of them F-ing their M? No, of course not.
JAF
09/20/13 06:30 AM
xx * I don't think anyone is saying it is an endorsement of child porn. They are saying it is an inappropriate subject matter because children are being
Blockhead
09/20/13 06:34 AM
xx * If some didn't think it was more than a joking razz, then why the pedophile accusations? Taking such a leap pretty clearly shows they
JAF
09/20/13 06:39 AM
xx * I submit the amount of detail is the reason so many took offense. There was more than the subject like jerking off to kiddie porn. NT
Mikentosh
09/20/13 02:02 PM
xx * Spencer is 32 years old and has probably read books & articles or watched movies or tv shows addressing child porn. So it's possible he has knowledge
FurnitureAlliance
09/20/13 08:57 PM
xx * Who has accused him of being a pedophile? NT
Blockhead
09/20/13 06:40 AM
xx * Just search the various BB forums for the word, or similar suggests for the same thing. You'll find it directed at Spencer.
JAF
09/20/13 06:43 AM
xx * I just searched BBD and InDepth and most if not all the posts say Sp is not a pedophile. NT
Blockhead
09/20/13 06:47 AM
xx * I edited that too slowly, and now see you replied before my edit. I've seen more of it in BBD but that rolls off the end too fast.
JAF
09/20/13 06:55 AM
xx * which means it is in response to someone saying he is :) NT
Bilbo
09/20/13 06:49 AM
xx * Not necessarily. There are posts that say something to the effect of "People say Sp is a pedophile but..." However, I don't see the posts that claim
Blockhead
09/20/13 06:52 AM
xx * i've seen tons of posts saying he is ... but then I guess I'm lying too NT
Bilbo
09/20/13 07:04 AM
xx * Please point out where I accused anyone of lying. Thank you. NT
Blockhead
09/20/13 07:10 AM
xx * you didn't say the word specifically, but you show your doubt of our statements ... same thing NT
Bilbo
09/20/13 07:15 AM
xx * No, not the same thing. I choose my words carefully. NT
Blockhead
09/20/13 07:17 AM
xx * exactly .. and i'm not gonna continue to play your silly little 'prove it' game NT
Bilbo
09/20/13 07:18 AM
xx * Fine. It's sad that you think logic, evidence, standards of proof are silly little games. And thanks for the false accusation! NT
Blockhead
09/20/13 07:23 AM
xx * Quit tainting the post! NT
tv_savage
09/20/13 02:24 PM
xx * Well the fans should just poof go away cause we made these hg say outrageous statements they are already backtracking and we were wrong to care! NT
AprilSky
09/19/13 08:43 AM
xx * Excellent and spot on take of what went down. NT
Noles88
09/19/13 06:55 AM
xx * Thank you! NT
tv_savage
09/20/13 05:23 AM
xx * No.
Blockhead
09/19/13 04:49 AM
xx * Well said! I believe if a HG or production would have said anything in week 1 or 2, it would have made a difference. The acceptance was the culprit NT
MaryAnn
09/19/13 09:07 AM
xx * I agree with No...without fans there would be no BB..and fans have the right to express how they feel when watching one of their favorite shows NT
rodh
09/19/13 07:30 AM
xx * Did you read? Never said ANYTHING about them not deserving to lose their jobs... NT
tv_savage
09/19/13 04:53 AM
xx * Yes, I did and blaming the fans is ludicrous. The fault lies with the HGs not with the "overly sensitive" people who complained. NT
Blockhead
09/19/13 04:56 AM
xx * to quote one of you jokers "THAT" NT
dollady
09/19/13 07:53 AM
xx * I think it's all in how you react to what is presented to you...
tv_savage
09/19/13 05:16 AM
xx * Really? A "majority"? Their own words are what vilified them... NT
MaryAnn
09/19/13 09:23 AM
xx * I couldn't say it any better. NT
CJinIowa
09/19/13 04:51 AM

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