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This is a response to: Not even sure which job that's supposed to ask about, but regardless, yes, pretty much all jobs require the employee not show disrespect. Maybe not some comedians, who's shtick is to insult people. NT
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Lets keep the goalposts in one spot - professional athletes are being uniquely required to make a forced political statement. Not all the players want to make that statement, some want, instead, to
05/25/18 02:51 PM




make a point about the injustice of so many unarmed black males being shot to death by the police. If the NFL wants to have a political statement before each game by playing a song to respect the land of the free, they should respect that freedom and allow the players to express themselves by not standing for the anthem. Either they respect America's freedoms or they don't.

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* NFL's national anthem policy: Players on field must stand, show 'respect'
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JAF
05/23/18 09:36 AM
xx * It's disrespectful to the National Anthem to punish people who don't choose to voluntarily stand for the Anthem.
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Blockhead
05/25/18 01:23 PM
xx * It’s all Boston’s fault... take it up with the Red Sox, heh NT
wyndycty
05/25/18 01:35 PM
xx * I blame Sidney Crosby. NT
Blockhead
05/25/18 01:41 PM
xx * *Jealousy rears it’s ugly head*! NT
wyndycty
05/25/18 04:55 PM
xx * Sydney doesn’t have to worry about the ramifications of a White House visit this year :p NT
dustysnemisis
05/25/18 05:01 PM
xx * oh lord, don’t start that argument! ha... NT
wyndycty
05/25/18 05:08 PM
xx * Who is Canadian? lol NT
krh5038
05/25/18 01:50 PM
xx * But easy to blame. LOL NT
Twinkle
05/25/18 03:55 PM
xx * Oh Canada! NT
JAF
05/25/18 01:57 PM
xx * Nobody is forcing them to do anything. They can stay in the locker room longer if they can't bring themselves to stand in respect for the NA.
JAF
05/25/18 01:29 PM
xx * If they choose to be on the field for the NA but choose not to stand during the NA and are fined for choosing to do so, then they are being forced. Being forced to show respect for the land of the
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Blockhead
05/25/18 01:36 PM
xx * It's ironic isn't it? Being forced to stand for a song about Freedom? I think the real outrage is that a black man CHOSE to kneel so instead he's being forced to stand. Even our own
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cantgetenough
05/25/18 01:47 PM
xx * They are free to do whatever they want. But just like the first amendment, free doesn't mean free of consequence. NT
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krh5038
05/25/18 01:49 PM
xx * But you said it early in the sentence... "If they choose...". It's their choice. If they choose to break the rule, then the team gets punished for the rulebreaking. But they always have the choice
JAF
05/25/18 01:40 PM
xx * So they are forced through fines to show respect to the land of the free. NT
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Blockhead
05/25/18 01:42 PM
xx * Employees are required to show respect in their jobs all the time. Wantonly show disrespect in your job and pretty good chance any employee will get disciplined. NT
JAF
05/25/18 01:43 PM
xx * Like this?
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cantgetenough
05/25/18 02:02 PM
xx * Not even sure which job that's supposed to ask about, but regardless, yes, pretty much all jobs require the employee not show disrespect. Maybe not some comedians, who's shtick is to insult people. NT
JAF
05/25/18 02:36 PM
xx * Lets keep the goalposts in one spot - professional athletes are being uniquely required to make a forced political statement. Not all the players want to make that statement, some want, instead, to
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Blockhead
05/25/18 02:51 PM
xx * I really don't consider the national anthem to be a "political statement" when played within the country that it applies to. It's a part of being a citizen of that country. But even if
JAF
05/25/18 03:24 PM
xx * They don’t object to the national anthem. NT
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cantgetenough
05/25/18 03:34 PM
xx * Let me clarify that then... "refuse to respect the NA". NT
JAF
05/25/18 03:36 PM
xx * I've never once in any job I've held have been required to show respect to the land of the free. It's never come up. NT
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Blockhead
05/25/18 01:45 PM
xx * I'm guessing your job doesn't involve a weekly event where the NA is played. But the part about not showing disrespect during your job applies
JAF
05/25/18 01:57 PM
xx * So what about the hot dog or beer vendor in the stadium? Are you outraged when they don't stop selling beer during the anthem? Are they not employees at work where the anthem is being performed? NT
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cantgetenough
05/25/18 02:05 PM
xx * The ones in the stands in view of the flag and anthem should stop too, and they always did at the 200+ NFL games I've attended.
JAF
05/25/18 02:31 PM
xx * and in other news, what is the price of tea in China these days? NT
krh5038
05/25/18 02:13 PM
xx * As I said, it's an odd job requirement for a professional athlete to be forced to show "respect" to the land of the free. NT
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Blockhead
05/25/18 02:01 PM
xx * Jobs that play the NA during events are somewhat rare, yes. But not being able to show disrespect during a job is not rare at all. NT
JAF
05/25/18 02:20 PM
xx * Only somewhat rare? At my job we are only required to say the Pledge of Allegiance. NT
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cantgetenough
05/25/18 02:28 PM
xx * Wait? You guys still say the Pledge of Allegiance? I thought that was done away with years ago. Nice... NT
wyndycty
05/25/18 03:05 PM
xx * There's a lot of sporting events. And employees from other professions are commonly invited to participate in pre-game ceremonies (police, fire, military, bands, and many others).
JAF
05/25/18 02:46 PM
xx * Where is the outrage when networks choose to cut to ads rather than show the Anthem on TV? NT
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cantgetenough
05/25/18 01:26 PM
xx * I think some on both sides of the issue aren't very happy about that (for the anthem not getting camera time on one side, and the protesters not getting camera time on the other). But since it's
JAF
05/25/18 01:37 PM
xx * If they don't want to be subjected to the possibility of
sneakypie
05/25/18 03:12 PM
xx * That fans? They're not in the locker room. They're in the stands, and watching from home on TV. Watching the product the NFL is putting on their their enjoyment,
JAF
05/25/18 03:44 PM
xx * Then they can grab a beer. Those at home can go outside&raise
sneakypie
05/25/18 03:52 PM
xx * And if they are so patriotic, why are they watching the players on the sidelines during the anthem and not standing at attention and facing the flag as instructed by the PA? NT
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cantgetenough
05/25/18 04:28 PM
xx * Have you ever been to an NFL game? There's usually a giant flag on the field now, right in same view of where the players are standing. NT
JAF
05/25/18 04:38 PM
xx * Yes. Numerous games including playoffs and a Super Bowl. I don’t recall the players at all. Just the big flag. At baseball games I watch the players blowing bubbles. NT
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cantgetenough
05/25/18 04:43 PM
xx * There was never really much reason to pay attention to what the players were doing during the NA in the past, when they stood for it like normal. Unfortunately that
JAF
05/25/18 04:55 PM
xx * Or, fortunately. I can’t think of anything more patriotic than using your platform to bring attention to a cause about social injustice and risking your own reputation and livelihood in the
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cantgetenough
05/25/18 05:52 PM
xx * They CAN exploit the fame their platform provides them to bring attention to their cause. On their own time. But it's the opposite of patriotic to choose to disrespect the NA. NT
JAF
05/25/18 06:14 PM
xx * There is nothing more patriotic than using your public
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sneakypie
05/26/18 05:33 AM
xx * As I just said, they CAN exploit the fame their platform provides them to bring attention to their cause.
JAF
05/26/18 06:02 AM
xx * Sneaky and all. I truly get it, Kaepernick was protesting Police brutality and felt he could not honor the Flag or NA of a country that would allow this to happen ...
wyndycty
05/26/18 08:28 AM
xx * Thank you wyndy. We both come from families who have served.
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sneakypie
05/26/18 10:46 AM
xx * Again... the protest is irrelevant. It's not protesting that people have a problem with, it's the METHOD chosen for attention that people have a problem with (refusing to stand in respect
JAF
05/26/18 11:47 AM
xx * One more time for the boys in the balcony
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sneakypie
05/26/18 04:58 PM
xx * It's much more effective just to give your customers what they actually want rather than things they don't want. NT
JAF
05/25/18 04:16 PM
xx * Ok. Good Convo all, Pretty sure we all know where everyone stands on this matter..whether it’s time, place, respect, disrespect.... Freedom of Speech, check. I feel we will all have to
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wyndycty
05/25/18 12:53 PM
xx * A brief history of ‘The Star-Spangled Banner’ being played at games and getting no respect....
wyndycty
05/25/18 09:51 AM
xx * I wondered how the practice even started...Thank the Boston Red Sox & Chicago Cubs. -:) NT
wyndycty
05/25/18 09:52 AM
xx * The only way to stop the ridiculousness is to stop filming the players during the anthiem. Keep the cameras off the sidelines and focus on the flag. But the media won't do that because it's a headline
krh5038
05/25/18 07:57 AM
xx * Yep. If the media had just stopped showing any player kneeling (like they stopped showing streakers and other idiots running onto the field), it would
JAF
05/25/18 09:28 AM
xx * How about not making a football game about patriotism. No reason
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sneakypie
05/25/18 09:24 AM
xx * There shouldn't be any reason NOT to play the national anthem at the start of a sporting event. It's sad that that's even somehow become contentious. NT
JAF
05/25/18 09:30 AM
xx * Sad that players taking a knee has become misrepresented. NT
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sneakypie
05/25/18 09:33 AM
xx * It sees like nothing but attention grabbing "look at me" behavior. Like a toddler throwing a tantrum, they'll give up once people they realize they're not getting anything out of it. NT
krh5038
05/25/18 10:36 AM
xx * It's gotten to that point now. At the beginning it may have been more to promote their cause, but that was 2 years ago. They made their point. Keeping it going now is just
JAF
05/25/18 10:55 AM
xx * For some it's a reminder of the inequality&racism some American
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sneakypie
05/25/18 11:03 AM
xx * The national anthem playing at work is hardly the appropriate time or placed to protest. Just like protesting the troops in the Vietnam war era was inappropriate. JMO. NT
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krh5038
05/25/18 11:49 AM
xx * I don't think it's my place to tell black
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sneakypie
05/25/18 12:55 PM
xx * Well you don't sign their paychecks. At the end of the day, the NFL is a business. Period. NT
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krh5038
05/25/18 01:52 PM
xx * I do buy tickets to NFL games and NFL merchandise. I have no problem criticizing that business for their decisions. It's a consequence of their actions. NT
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Blockhead
05/25/18 02:01 PM
xx * cute NT
krh5038
05/25/18 02:01 PM
xx * Fewer and fewer though. For most NFL fans (I betcha like 95%+) it's just become nothing but an annoying pissing match between "sides" (and I'm not talking football sides).
JAF
05/25/18 11:16 AM
xx * In some ways it has (on both sides of the issue). But it doesn't change the fact that the actual method they chose to get attention for their cause is
JAF
05/25/18 09:38 AM
xx * It is your opinion that it is an act of disrespect toward the national anthem. Interpret it however you wish, but please don't impose your interpretation on others. NT
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cantgetenough
05/25/18 11:48 AM
xx * "imposing"?!? Good grief. We're having a discussion here. One that just went south with that post. NT
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JAF
05/25/18 12:09 PM
xx * You're welcome. NT
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cantgetenough
05/25/18 12:16 PM
xx * So that was your intent? Well OK then, mission accomplished. NT
JAF
05/25/18 12:49 PM
xx * Perhaps having Rosanne singing it would bring back respect
sneakypie
05/25/18 10:31 AM
xx * LOL. Hopefully that infamous performance stays in the vault. :-) NT
JAF
05/25/18 10:34 AM
xx * Good to see people who have not been in the Score lately join us....Welcome back! OTAs have started! Whoohoo! NT
wyndycty
05/24/18 02:41 PM
xx * Ryan Tannehill will wear a brace during the game, who is the backup Miami QB? NT
wyndycty
05/24/18 02:49 PM
xx * I think they currently have Brock Osweiler, David Fales and they grabbed Bryce Petty when the Jets released him. NT
dustysnemisis
05/24/18 02:57 PM
xx * Osweiler ended up with the Dolphins!? I need to hone up on my off season trades, ha NT
wyndycty
05/24/18 03:56 PM
xx * Yes! We need all the anti-Pats we can get! NT
FurlessBat
05/24/18 02:44 PM
xx * Ack....lol, Blockhead, Colleen & Sneaky will be sending you their love shortly, ha NT
wyndycty
05/24/18 02:46 PM
xx * Blockhead already does :/ NT
FurlessBat
05/24/18 02:57 PM
xx * There was a time when teams didnt take the field until after the Anthem but not for political purposes it was just procedure. Maybe they should go back to that policy? NT
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Bobbo2
05/23/18 04:02 PM
xx * So much for freedom of expression. Never thought it was disrespectful but it is what it is. NT
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FurlessBat
05/23/18 10:21 AM
xx * Why do athletes get to express anything that they want at work where at most jobs there are rules and regulations? NT
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Bobbo2
05/23/18 04:13 PM
xx * because they can? not sure it was a rule. They are not disrespecting their work or their fans. NT
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FurlessBat
05/23/18 04:27 PM
xx * Obviously there are differing opinions on that. NT
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Bobbo2
05/23/18 04:36 PM
xx * at most workplaces freedom of expression is not permitted NT
AprilSky
05/23/18 04:09 PM
xx * most workplaces don't require you to stand during the national anthem NT
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FurlessBat
05/23/18 04:19 PM
xx * Most workplaces dont play the National Anthem at work but they have dress codes and rules prohibiting certain behaviors, speech, and clothing like shirts saying ______ sucks, F ______, sexual and
Bobbo2
05/23/18 05:00 PM
xx * But to sing the NA is a political action, which is something not mandatory in other workplaces. It’s not the same as a dress code. NT
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FurlessBat
05/23/18 05:38 PM
xx * I agree with that. Just saying the employer has a right to a degree to set workplace policies. NT
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Bobbo2
05/23/18 05:50 PM
xx * they have been doing that for many years, the workplace is not for protest it's to play ball and hold to the traditions that brought them to the NFL If they had something against the
AprilSky
05/23/18 04:31 PM
xx * But they don’t have anything again the NA. They’re expressing their dissatisfaction with actions allegedly rejected by the NA. NT
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FurlessBat
05/23/18 04:43 PM
xx * That's the REASON that they're doing it, but the ACTION they're using to get attention IS disrespect for they NA. And it's that action that people are upset with,
JAF
05/23/18 05:39 PM
xx * No need to yell and you can’t compare them with ecoterrorists. They’re not hurting anyone. NT
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FurlessBat
05/23/18 05:44 PM
xx * It's not yelling, It's just emphasizing the few key words. Yelling would be typing entire sentences in caps.
JAF
05/23/18 05:48 PM
xx * My bad then. I still don’t think they’re comparable. NT
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FurlessBat
05/23/18 05:59 PM
xx * When did kneeling become a sign of disrespect? It’s the most respectful form of protest I’ve ever seen NT
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dustysnemisis
05/23/18 05:42 PM
xx * It's disrespect in this context because it's defiance of the normal protocol for respecting the NA (standing). NT
JAF
05/23/18 05:51 PM
xx * Players only started standing for the NA in 2009. They used to be in the locker rooms or working out on the sidelines.
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cantgetenough
05/23/18 06:03 PM
xx * Hiya Can’t...I read the 49rs are going back to their old uniforms...good thing? NT
wyndycty
05/24/18 02:46 PM
xx * Hi Wyndy. I wouldn't know. I am no longer a fan. Not of the 49ers and definitely not of the NFL. NT
cantgetenough
05/25/18 11:58 AM
xx * Oh ok, you guys just got an awesom QB too! NT
wyndycty
05/25/18 12:35 PM
xx * How long they've been on the sideline is irrelevant though. The protocol has always been that those in direct attendance - particularly on stage as the participants of the event - stand
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JAF
05/23/18 06:08 PM
xx * Former NFL player lays waste to the league’s hypocrisy on the American flag with one perfect photo
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cantgetenough
05/24/18 08:32 AM
xx * I see that response a lot, and it's not totally without merit. But there's also a huge difference.
JAF
05/24/18 09:27 AM
xx * When actions do not reflect what the anthem&flag stands
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sneakypie
05/24/18 10:22 AM
xx * I disagree. The goal that they're after by creating attention from disrespectful action does not make that action itself any less disrespectful. NT
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JAF
05/24/18 10:57 AM
xx * The drawing of attention to the inequality shown to people of color
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sneakypie
05/24/18 01:26 PM
xx * The cause may be perfectly noble, but there's so many other ways for famous NFL players to get attention without disrespecting the national anthem. They have no problem getting on radio and TV.
JAF
05/24/18 01:31 PM
xx * Perfectly said. And the cause would get a lot more support if the method were different. Whether it's intended that way or not, it is very offensive to so many of us. NT
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LibraLady
05/24/18 02:34 PM
xx * And let's not kid ourselves... the method was chosen to get attention, meaning they knew it was disrespectful and offensive. That's why it gets attention. NT
JAF
05/24/18 03:11 PM
xx * Drawing attention to the fact that the country does
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sneakypie
05/25/18 12:59 PM
xx * As I said above, it's not the cause that's the problem. The method chosen for getting attention is. One does not excuse the other. NT
JAF
05/25/18 01:06 PM
xx * It's a perfect platform&no one is disrespecting the flag or the
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sneakypie
05/24/18 01:37 PM
xx * I wholly disagree. Participants on the stage of an event refusing to show the unequivocal sign of respect for the NA are doing the opposite. And the opposite is disrespect.
JAF
05/24/18 02:49 PM
xx * Why oh why are we protesting at a “Football” game anyway? NT
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wyndycty
05/23/18 05:47 PM
xx * I'm still trying to figure out what it accomplished. NT
AprilSky
05/23/18 08:02 PM
xx * Lots of alienation, division, and lost customers. Not quite what they had in mind, I suspect (although maybe so). NT
JAF
05/23/18 09:34 PM
xx * Freedom of speech/freedom of expression is all fine and dandy as long as it's the right message for some but let another message be expressed and watch the chit hit the fan NT
AprilSky
05/24/18 02:10 PM
xx * Freedom of expression should have its own moral limits, like how your freedom might negatively affect others. The action we are discussing in this thread doesn’t hurt
FurlessBat
05/24/18 02:29 PM
xx * And who gets to make that moral decision? NT
AprilSky
05/24/18 02:33 PM
xx * Ideally those hurting others NT
FurlessBat
05/24/18 02:38 PM
xx * I believe Vets and Cops were hurt by the actions taken during the NA and was the very purpose of doing it pig socks and all. So who is to say who is hurt and who isn't. NT
AprilSky
05/24/18 02:44 PM
xx * But they are not going against Vets and cops, they are going against particular actions from certain cops, not all of them. They've never said their intention is to hurt anyone. NT
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FurlessBat
05/24/18 04:22 PM
xx * Many a post has disappeared because of that. NT
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sneakypie
05/24/18 02:19 PM
xx * When becoming a member here at Jokers you signed an agreement to follow the rules of the board freedom of speech is limited for the protection of all members. NT
AprilSky
05/24/18 02:25 PM
xx * I like it. Seems sensible, logical, fair. NT
colleenag
05/23/18 10:04 AM
xx * Seems to at the least, gives you an option? NT
wyndycty
05/23/18 12:40 PM
xx * IMHO, taking a knee during a national anthem seems more respectful than skipping it entirely ... I doubt this will end here. NT
dustysnemisis
05/23/18 12:48 PM
xx * I like that it targets the team, not the player that breaks the rule. And it also allows the team to further refine their "standard" within the rule. NT
colleenag
05/23/18 12:57 PM
xx * I like that the Jets owner has the balls to pony up and pay the fines for this travesty. NT
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Twinkle
05/24/18 12:39 PM
xx * Good to see you Twinkle! NT
wyndycty
05/24/18 02:44 PM
xx * Thanks. Life's been busy. NT
Twinkle
05/25/18 03:51 PM
xx * They were considering making it a 15-yd penalty too. In some ways I liked that, because it would put a lot more per pressure on players to stop. But it just doesn't seem right to call a penalty
JAF
05/23/18 01:37 PM
xx * Good, they needed to do something as they were bleeding customers over this mess. Not sure it's the perfect solution but there's only so much they could do within the current CBA.
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JAF
05/23/18 09:42 AM
xx * This is one spot where some Boston media wondered why? why now? They claimed it had died down, perhaps 2 or 3 players were still kneeling, sitting, etc. and they, the radio guys I listen to, suggest
colleenag
05/23/18 03:47 PM

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