FrouFrou Joker Type Cast Reged: 08/08/07 Posts: 19702 Jeremy is rocking this imo. No immunity wins, few rewards, always downplaying himself. Smart and social. Spencer wanted Fish out to play w/ Jeremy. NT 11/30/15 07:43 AM Edit Reply Quote Mark Thread Read Hide Thread Print Report Remind Me Link

Entire thread (Refresh) Subject Posted by Posted on knowing that Stephen was going to use his advantage, why didn't they take the opportunity to blindside Jeremy? Don't get my wrong, I like Jeremy but PVRlover 11/29/15 09:35 AM the girls are ridiculous to leave jeremy last. He's definitely going to the finals at this rate even if he didn't have 2 idols & he can easily win NT PointBeing 12/02/15 05:59 PM Jeremy is rocking this imo. No immunity wins, few rewards, always downplaying himself. Smart and social. Spencer wanted Fish out to play w/ Jeremy. NT FrouFrou 11/30/15 07:43 AM Agreed, he's been playing a strong game while somehow avoiding being a primary target (so far). But I do think he made a big mistake JAF 12/01/15 01:09 PM My opinion probably wouldn't carry much weight among the survivors, but I'd be trying to go after Jeremy for that move if I were in the game NT LeastMode 12/02/15 02:36 PM It would certainly make me question why he was willing to go to such an extreme extent to save Stephen. Which is a big part of why Spencer JAF 12/02/15 04:03 PM I don't think so. There was more blow back for Stephen and his reward challenge choices than for Jeremy playing the idol. NT FrouFrou 12/02/15 01:15 PM I don't mean because of blowback, I mean because he wasted a valuable idol he may need to save himself later. NT JAF 12/02/15 02:37 PM Idk, this has happened in other seasons too where there's one player that should obviously be voted out, but yet their name never comes up. NT BBO 11/29/15 03:27 PM But Joe's name was always on their lips, every week "if he doesn't win immunity he's gone" was the mantra by all. But then when they actually have colleenag 11/29/15 03:37 PM that's the way it is when we don't have feeds, there is a lot we don't know NT zagger 11/29/15 03:28 PM They didn't really know it until he announced it right before the vote. And by then the strategy and votes have already been planned. JAF 11/29/15 10:01 AM Stephen told Jeremy, Spencer and Tasha that he was going to use it. There was no surprise at all on their part he was going to use it. NT Corndogger 11/29/15 01:24 PM Not a surprise, but not a sure thing either. Even if Spencer was pretty sure he'd use it, there's always some doubt and the JAF 11/29/15 01:53 PM But only Spencer flipped on them which made a backup plan rather useless unless they gambled that Joe or Abi didn't have a HII. I think Spencer knew Corndogger 11/29/15 04:58 PM It's such a fluid season, with such loose alliances that we never really know how things will line up from week to week. JAF 11/29/15 06:38 PM "Voting blocs." But as Tasha said it might B time 2 go back 2 more solid alliances U can trust. But who does she have now other than Jeremy? Kimmi? NT Corndogger 11/29/15 06:50 PM Spencer, Jeremy, Kimmi & Tasha. NT Adamlovechild1 11/29/15 08:36 PM You think Kimmi, Jeremy and Tasha are going to rely on Spencer after that last vote? Spencer needs to take out Jeremy if he wants to win not work Corndogger 11/29/15 10:24 PM If not him, who else? Keith? Joe? Kelley? Abi? It's all relative. If they find themselves in a position where they need a 4th vote, JAF 12/01/15 01:13 PM I totally do. Spencer wants to work with Tasha & Jeremy and knew he had to get rid of Stephen to make them loyal to him. NT FrouFrou 11/30/15 07:45 AM Spencer is an idiot if he wants to go to end with Jeremy same with Tasha. NT BBFanJ 12/01/15 01:00 PM I totally agree. I don't see anyone other than maybe Joe beating Jeremy in F2 or F3. Kelley Wentworth might be able to give him a run. NT FrouFrou 12/02/15 01:16 PM No kidding! Of the people left the two best to take to the end are Kimmi and Abi. Taking Jeremy would be just about as bad as Cody taking Derrick Corndogger 12/01/15 02:27 PM And Spencer surely knows that. I doubt he wants to be in the F3 with Jeremy, but using him to help get there is a different matter. NT JAF 12/01/15 08:51 PM But if he waits too long to get rid of him Jeremy could strike first and he'll be gone. This is why Ciera wanted people to play the game sooner than Corndogger 12/01/15 09:19 PM No, she just wanted people to play the game in a way that would have saved her ass. They WERE playing the game, which is why they'll still there JAF 12/01/15 09:57 PM In her co-exit interview with Stephen Dalton asked her who she was talking about. She said she was referring to Kimmi, Keith, Wiglesworth and I Corndogger 12/01/15 11:32 PM OF COURSE those people have been playing the game, and that stupid/arrogant statement by a desperate Ciera is part of why many people don't like her. JAF 12/02/15 06:47 AM Sorry, that makes no sense and it's not what Ciera was saying. She was saying that if they did nothing they would finish in the middle of the pack Corndogger 12/02/15 01:23 PM If that's the case then it's stupid of her to assume they would do nothing. Why would she assume that? That's just ridiculous. JAF 12/02/15 04:00 PM But I think a lot of us felt, in the case of Wigglesworth, that she really wasn't doing much of anything. At least it appeared that way. And colleenag 12/02/15 04:03 PM Oh I agree that the "Sandra strategy" (hide behind the big players and hope for a bitter jury) isn't the most worthy or enjoyable to watch. JAF 12/02/15 04:22 PM It's easier to move up from the middle than be pulled down by the bottom. She tried the Hayden speech from BvsW and it didn't work. The top didn't Adamlovechild1 12/02/15 12:33 AM If you ignore what actually happened what she did didn't work. And no, she did not try the Hayden speech. What she did was a lot more complex and Corndogger 12/02/15 01:37 AM Agree to disagree. Hayden's manipulation prompted Tyson & Gervase to out their plans for the alliance putting Cierra at the bottom. Cierra finally Adamlovechild1 12/02/15 03:09 AM Agreed. Hayden's words were far more persuasive than Ciera's were. Plus I don't see a 3rd season for Ciera. There's nothing compelling about her JAF 12/02/15 06:56 AM I personally find her compelling. The only person to vote out their own mother because it was strategically the smart move to make, and she's someone LeastMode 12/02/15 02:40 PM The "voting out her mother" thing is way overblown, IMO. Her mother was leaving in that vote regardless, so it's not like her vote JAF 12/02/15 04:11 PM lol I would prefer to SEE golden boy though :) NT Belle 12/02/15 02:45 PM He's good looking, but there's something about him I find very unattractive. I don't know what it is, but he has 0 sex appeal to me NT LeastMode 12/02/15 07:27 PM He won't be able to win Jeremy's idol and Joe as an immunity threat. Spencer wants to be Jeremy's strategic partner. NT Adamlovechild1 11/30/15 12:52 AM Well that's just it... there are no solid (large) alliances to go back to. And no dependable large blocs of trust. Spencer doesn't have a JAF 11/29/15 07:05 PM I don't know why they didn't take out Joe once he lost immunity. NT robin0 11/29/15 09:47 AM I think possibly Spencer sees Joe as a shield, just like Tony used him in Cagayan. NT FurnitureAlliance 11/29/15 02:13 PM Spencer wants to replace Stephen as Jeremy 's no 2 and move up in the alliance. As He always said Survivor is like chess. NT Adamlovechild1 11/29/15 06:36 PM Most def! NT FrouFrou 11/30/15 07:45 AM And even though Joe is great at comps, he can be trusted and isn't a schemer. Kinda the opposite of Stephen who was a far bigger JAF 11/29/15 03:21 PM I'd say Joe is kind of a schemer, he clued in Ciera/Kelly about Kelly being the target which led to her doing that great idol play NT zagger 11/29/15 03:25 PM I don't think he was scheming, so much as he trusted the girls and just wanted to give them a heads up. It's like the opposite of scheming NT FurnitureAlliance 11/29/15 04:20 PM he was basically playing both sides, voting with one, giving a heads up to the other, dunno, I'd call that scheming NT zagger 11/29/15 04:45 PM True, he's not a clueless Woo. He's not totally out of things, but he's rarely the instigator or the planner of such moves. NT JAF 11/29/15 03:36 PM yeah he's no mastermind but that action tells me there is more going on than we are seeing (as always) NT zagger 11/29/15 03:38 PM He really wanted to work with Wentworth, and to me he was dumb to tell them that NT FurnitureAlliance 11/29/15 04:21 PM Joe was their target but they were concerned he might have a HII. When Spencer flipped on them the plan fell apart and Stephen was phucked. NT Corndogger 11/29/15 01:26 PM Agreed 10000%. I think both they and us have fallen in love with the blindside but it's going to bite someone in the butt. NT Hidef1080 11/29/15 12:34 PM Joe is my #2 fav next to Spencer. I want to see him go far and I hope he is not injured, though it looks likely. But from the others' perspective, robin0 11/29/15 12:55 PM It already did.... Stephen. ;-) NT JAF 11/29/15 12:40 PM Lol NT robin0 11/29/15 12:56 PM

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