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Agree, Sizzle! Except for 1 thing...
09/17/15 10:43 AM




Reading this long conversation which was in Updates but now may be in Highlights, of Vanessa talking to Liz-- I AM now totally inclined to believe that Vanessa will take Liz to F2, if she is HOH. And, for what seems like the thousandth time this season, Vanessa has chosen a great moment to cosy up sincerely with artful manipulation, to a HG (this time Liz) -- which, if Liz gets Final HOH, will cause her to want to bring Vanessa to F2 as well.

With Steve -- I'm not sure if he really threw that Final POV. He said he did in that rambling, crying monologue just that one time. But Steve's so all over the place emotionally, and with the way he thinks out loud as he goes through various scenarios in his mind, it's hard to know what is REALLY happening. On the TV show -- and with his commentary -- it sure looked like he was genuinely befuddled with the game, which, had he won it, could have enabled him to boot Vanessa -- putting him in the catbird's seat. (This is an aside -- where in the world does the phrase "In the catbird's seat" come from??? -- LOL!!!) ANYWAY, Steve would have been sitting in it. SOMEWHERE I read or heard that he was simply feeling cocky going into that competition, instead of preparing for it adequately -- BUT that could just be Steve, who ALWAYS is forever beating up on himself -- blaming himself for anything that goes wrong -- when, in all actuality, sometimes things just GO WRONG! And "ain't nothing he can do about it!!"

NOW -- the truth is Steve is NOT a comp beast like Vanessa! In fact -- what is genuinely funny is that 2 of his wins were sort of mistaken wins -- the DE win where he tried 3 times to give the "wrong" answer that turned out to be right, and then the F4 HOH, where he put down the wrong number, winning that F4 HOH with simply pure luck.

Vanessa IS a comp beast, AND she is a truly amazing master manipulator, and I whole-heartedly agree that she deserves to be crowned the Queen of BB17 and all it's lands! But you now what?? All that crying that everybody is so annoyed with (including myself!!) I've come to believe is genuine. Oh yes, some of the tears -- maybe a great deal -- is manipulation -- but I think an awful lot is true human feelings of remorse and sadness. The Gamer in her wins and rules the day -- but at heart she's also a real mensch!



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* VANESSA...and the other two in F3
Sizzle
09/17/15 09:28 AM
xx * I agree Sizzle with 99% of your assessment re Van. My only point of contention is I just can't bring myself to crown her queen. Perhaps Dictator? NT
dazyhazy
09/17/15 01:08 PM
xx * Why don't people call Dr Will a dictator? Oh right, he's male, and males' actions are judged by different standards... NT
jube
09/18/15 06:32 AM
xx * Any male who acted like Vanessa would be called a dictator too. This is just wishful thinking that Vanessa isn't liked just because she's a woman. NT
FurnitureAlliance
09/19/15 06:20 PM
xx * He's nothing like Vanessa NT
FurnitureAlliance
09/19/15 06:18 PM
xx * He was not called a dictator because he wasn't one. Never won an HOH so was never in charged. Steered people towards other targets but made them think
tedismyhomeboy
09/18/15 09:46 AM
xx * Exactly. And he remained charming, funny and very likable! No one seemed to be afraid of him because he didn't use intimidation. NT
Caramel
09/19/15 08:00 PM
xx * Whoa whoa jube. Will was funny, non threatening and the hg's enjoyed his antics. We're comparing apples and oranges here. As a female I've worked in
dazyhazy
09/18/15 09:20 AM
xx * Come on now jube, Dr Will played a totally different game. Vanessa's game is more like Evil Dick NT
Sizzle
09/18/15 08:55 AM
xx * She's nothing like ED either. She's a new type of 'victim' player with lots of 'reasons' NT
FurnitureAlliance
09/19/15 06:22 PM
xx * I couldn't disagree more! =) ED was pure meanness, no smarts there. Just intimidate people till they crumble. Vanessa is the opposite:
jube
09/18/15 12:03 PM
xx * Nobody hates her for doing 'bad' things. It's all about attitude. Will's loved because of the WAY he does 'bad' things. NT
FurnitureAlliance
09/19/15 06:24 PM
xx * Yes Sizzle I agree. NT
dazyhazy
09/18/15 09:50 AM
xx * I have to laugh and when I recover, I’ll strongly disagree, then I’ll ask you to consider Van in a season with E Dick.
Mikentosh
09/18/15 09:22 AM
xx * How can you remember that season and peoples names and what happened that clearly. Gosh, I cant remember last season that well LOL NT
Sizzle
09/18/15 03:52 PM
xx * I have a head full of useless $hit, Sizzle. NT
Mikentosh
09/18/15 04:44 PM
xx * I wouldn't compare her to ED. ED was mean and nasty, and didn't really care what people thought of him. Vanessa is the opposite in that she
JAF
09/18/15 09:04 AM
xx * But have you stopped to wonder how much of that "emotional fragility" is part of her game? Even Zingbot thought so. NT
jube
09/19/15 05:53 AM
xx * Meaning she's faking it? I don't think so. Maybe in one or two "performances" (sort of like Steve's that one time), but I don't
JAF
09/19/15 03:23 PM
xx * I do... NT
Sizzle
09/19/15 06:15 PM
xx * ITA,, NT
Sizzle
09/18/15 03:53 PM
xx * Mike I completely agree with you! NT
dazyhazy
09/18/15 09:40 AM
xx * dazyhazy, I know you know i'm being totally facetious when I call Vanessa a Queen... NT
Sizzle
09/17/15 04:08 PM
xx * Oh yeah Sizzle Lol NT
dazyhazy
09/17/15 05:12 PM
xx * L-O-L!! NT
BBenthusiast
09/17/15 02:09 PM
xx * Depending on what Part 2 comp is…
Mikentosh
09/17/15 10:29 AM
xx * True...
Sizzle
09/17/15 11:13 AM
xx * YES!!!
BBenthusiast
09/17/15 10:52 AM
xx * Yes BBenthusiast, i'm calling this one early... NT
Sizzle
09/17/15 09:41 AM
xx * Agree, Sizzle! Except for 1 thing...
BBenthusiast
09/17/15 10:43 AM
xx * Points Gleaned From Misguided, Maniacal Musings
Mikentosh
09/17/15 01:24 PM
xx * I could not disagree with you more
Sizzle
09/17/15 04:26 PM
xx * Sizzle I think you need to take into account he's 10 years younger then her. He did go to Cornell. He may not have continued...
dazyhazy
09/17/15 08:05 PM
xx * Steve spent almost 2 years at Cornell and then decided to pursue music so he transferred to Fredonia, still in NY. NT
Mikentosh
09/17/15 06:06 PM
xx * I stand corrected, but I heard him say he was going to FSU..At least I am pretty sure he did LOL
Sizzle
09/17/15 07:03 PM
xx * Music's my field! AND Fredonia has an outstanding music department with one of the best band programs in NY State! (That's Steve's thing!)
BBenthusiast
09/18/15 08:15 AM
xx * Mike hilarious and spot on as usual. I'll excuse your slight dis of women and respond with both twins had they been male would still be...
dazyhazy
09/17/15 01:52 PM
xx * Oh no BB Van is not a mensch. Brilliant BB player definitely. But for me she's meshuggah with way too much meshugaas! NT
dazyhazy
09/17/15 01:22 PM
xx * LOL -- OK, DH, I concede you've got a point!! NT
BBenthusiast
09/17/15 05:13 PM
xx * ITA! And not only is Steve not a comp beast, but he's not a great strategist either. Whether you think his "mumblings" are cute or annoying, they
jube
09/17/15 11:29 AM
xx * Agreed... NT
Sizzle
09/17/15 04:28 PM

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