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This is a response to: The title of the article invalidates your claim. It says right there that the difference is not seen in newborns, and after 3 months social and
scottzet
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I said infants, not newborns
08/16/13 06:28 PM




And to put this in perspective, baby doesnt recognize itself in a mirror until 15 months.

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* Postulated this on BBD but wanted more in-depth discussion. What do you think of the idea of a all non-white cast? Or just one white?
LuckyLizzie74
08/16/13 11:38 AM
xx * I 100% support this idea. It upsets me how people are so opposed to it. NT
Heloise
08/20/13 03:20 AM
xx * I am quite surprised at the overwhelming negative response. I really am! NT
LuckyLizzie74
08/20/13 12:14 PM
xx * Personally I'd rather just cast all colour-blind contestants... and I mean people who honestly don't CARE what race you are. NT
Digitalpotato
08/17/13 04:40 PM
xx * There are many BB shows. bigbrotherafrica.com is pretty much what you're asking for. NT
Nusa
08/17/13 12:32 AM
xx * Most of us have noticed that there are non-whites living right here in America! Imagine that! NT
Caramel
08/17/13 12:37 AM
xx * It's shocking, isn't it? I can go out shopping in my neighborhood and not see a white face, but somehow I should watch BB Africa if I want to
FeministKilljoy
08/17/13 12:52 AM
xx * He's simply pointing out....
scottzet
08/17/13 04:17 PM
xx * It's not actually the same. The US/Canada version of BB is a LOT different than the other int'l versions. So casting an all minority BBUS game would
FeministKilljoy
08/17/13 04:39 PM
xx * Pitch it to Univision or BET....
scottzet
08/17/13 05:22 PM
xx * Survivor: Cook Islands did something similar
patmanbnl
08/16/13 09:31 PM
xx * Don't believe they got the results they were hoping for on that one. NT
AngelsofCa
08/19/13 04:07 AM
xx * If it would get higher ratings they would do it. NT
SolitaryDParty
08/16/13 05:51 PM
xx * No it wouldn't, it would be cancelled after a week. NT
intothegrinder
08/19/13 09:00 PM
xx * I totally agree. I even suggested as much a few weeks ago. Since it seems to be totally acceptable to have had all whites since this show's inception,
Caramel
08/16/13 04:25 PM
xx * 1 it has never been all white 2 Danielle Reyes, Jun Song NT
zagger
08/16/13 04:33 PM
xx * Of course I didn't mean ALL white, but it may as well be, because they never cast more than one or two black people -- never. NT
Caramel
08/17/13 12:41 AM
xx * wrong again, BB13, Kalia, Lawon, Keith, Brendon, Dominic NT
zagger
08/17/13 08:37 AM
xx * I thought Dominic was Mediterranean? NT
Digitalpotato
08/17/13 04:47 PM
xx * Sort of, he's half Italian and half Filipino. NT
FeministKilljoy
08/17/13 05:04 PM
xx * Oh, I didn't know he was half Filipino. o.o I knew he was Italian. (Like southern part - trust me that's olive skin.) NT
Digitalpotato
08/17/13 06:16 PM
xx * I totally agree and I think it would be very interesting to have a season where they flip it completely. NT
LuckyLizzie74
08/16/13 04:32 PM
xx * I think it's interesting how apposed people would be to the idea! I'm surprised really. NT
LuckyLizzie74
08/16/13 03:01 PM
xx * The US population by race (according to Wiki): Whites on 63.7% in the US yet get way more than that in the house.
LuckyLizzie74
08/16/13 02:27 PM
xx * I wonder how many people refuse to answer ( like my family ) and how that is counted NT
MsB
08/17/13 04:45 PM
xx * You Read Stats Wrong. US is 72% White.
scottzet
08/16/13 02:46 PM
xx * I might have gotten the wrong page but this is what I see: Non-Hispanic White or European American 196,817,552 63.7 % NT
LuckyLizzie74
08/16/13 03:00 PM
xx * You read that fine, the Hispanic/Latino numbers are broken down and one of the categories within the that category is white so the person you replied
FeministKilljoy
08/16/13 03:09 PM
xx * Yes, you need to add the lower table.
scottzet
08/16/13 03:39 PM
xx * Technically, white isn't a race either. When we speak of race and racism we are talking about social constructs. We've assigned people to different
FeministKilljoy
08/16/13 04:07 PM
xx * I was gonna write Caucasian, but it took up too many letters for my opening sentences! lol! NT
LuckyLizzie74
08/16/13 04:30 PM
xx * I think your post is fine, I understood what you were proposing just fine. :) NT
FeministKilljoy
08/16/13 04:33 PM
xx * Race is a proxy for a group of closely
scottzet
08/16/13 04:27 PM
xx * Oh, good lord. Next you're gonna start talking about eugenics. Yes, there are genetic differences between individuals. Race is still a social
FeministKilljoy
08/16/13 04:32 PM
xx * Social construct with a biological basis....
scottzet
08/16/13 05:31 PM
xx * Yes, that is useful, but it has very little to do with the concept of "race," especially as we see more genetic drift among populations.
FeministKilljoy
08/16/13 05:46 PM
xx * You are confusing concept of averages and groups vs individuals...
scottzet
08/16/13 05:57 PM
xx * I understand it very well, you don't know how to interpret modern research on genetic differences between populations and how that correlates with
FeministKilljoy
08/16/13 06:04 PM
xx * I'm sure this wasn't meant to be slightly condescending, but the statement
AngelsofCa
08/19/13 05:10 AM
xx * Typical PC anti-science
scottzet
08/16/13 06:31 PM
xx * Heh. I have to admit, this thread has been very entertaining. Thanks again for linking that article. :) NT
FeministKilljoy
08/16/13 06:40 PM
xx * Recently my friends & I were discussing racism & how it will never go away & I said, actually, racism is a form of classism. Racism may disappear, but
LuckyLizzie74
08/16/13 04:55 PM
xx * Infants recognize and sort themselves by race...
scottzet
08/16/13 05:35 PM
xx * Do you have a cite for that claim? Because race is a relatively modern concept. Historically groups such as the ancient Greeks and Romans
FeministKilljoy
08/16/13 05:55 PM
xx * Babies show same race preferences as early as 3 months...
scottzet
08/16/13 06:03 PM
xx * The title of the article invalidates your claim. It says right there that the difference is not seen in newborns, and after 3 months social and
FeministKilljoy
08/16/13 06:08 PM
xx * I thought everybody knew that it was learned. NT
Caramel
08/17/13 12:56 AM
xx * So did I. I guess some people didn't get the memo. NT
FeministKilljoy
08/17/13 01:07 AM
xx * I said infants, not newborns
scottzet
08/16/13 06:28 PM
xx * Did you read the article? I did. What you are claiming is the exact opposite of what the authors of the article are.
FeministKilljoy
08/16/13 06:30 PM
xx * Babies display race preference as early as three months...
scottzet
08/16/13 06:34 PM
xx * Dude. No. You are totally misreading the article. I was willing to read your evidence, the fact you presented some that argues the opposite of
FeministKilljoy
08/16/13 06:36 PM
xx * You are the one misreading the article. We are hard wired to have racial bias. By the age of 3 months....
scottzet
08/16/13 06:45 PM
xx * Read it again. If we were hardwired with a racial bias then newborns would show a preference. They didn't in the studies.
FeministKilljoy
08/16/13 06:48 PM
xx * Not what the study shows at all....
scottzet
08/17/13 12:15 AM
xx * I think a baby identifies with the person/s who care for them. Many babies have black or brown nannies. I think if babies show any preference
BlondeMoment
08/17/13 06:04 PM
xx * Seriously?
FeministKilljoy
08/17/13 12:38 AM
xx * It's such a complicated topic, but from my layman's pov, I very much agree that racism and classism are so closely interlinked
FeministKilljoy
08/16/13 05:02 PM
xx * Well-stated. NT
Caramel
08/17/13 12:57 AM
xx * I don't think he has to do with ethnicity. The show is stale & predictable. This cast speaks to to *how* stale and *how* predictable. NT
Iris
08/16/13 02:19 PM
xx * You're confusing skin color with ethnicity. For instance Hitler treated blacks better than jewish whites. Whites come in multiple flavors too. NT
Nusa
08/16/13 01:06 PM
xx * Exactly - genetically speaking, Middle Easterners and Indian people are white. So are most hispanics.
Digitalpotato
08/17/13 04:49 PM
xx * No, I'm just discussing lots of different aspects of the issue. I'm white: German, Irish, Scottish, English. But we've had the full white spectrum
LuckyLizzie74
08/16/13 01:46 PM
xx * The only reason that black people weren't incarcerated in large numbers during the holocaust is because there weren't large numbers of them living in
FeministKilljoy
08/16/13 01:16 PM
xx * Unfortunately, it'd never happen in the US. Hollywood has long thought that white audiences won't turn out or tune in for programs and movies
FeministKilljoy
08/16/13 12:56 PM
xx * I can see that this idea isn't really taking off, it seems people think making it non-white would make it about race, but making it all white's ok? NT
LuckyLizzie74
08/16/13 12:38 PM
xx * When have they had an all white cast? NT
JAF
08/16/13 12:46 PM
xx * Not sure, but I know they've had 90% white most of the time. NT
LuckyLizzie74
08/16/13 12:49 PM
xx * I think the percentage is a bit lower than that, but it depends on how you count people.
JAF
08/16/13 01:01 PM
xx * What percentage do you think it is this season? NT
IrishA
08/16/13 01:00 PM
xx * It's simple math. 12.5% black, 6% Asian, 81.5% white with one claiming a portion of Native American heritage. (+/- a few points) Why? NT
LuckyLizzie74
08/16/13 01:55 PM
xx * I'm what many called "half breed"...meaning most of my youth I was tormented
AngelsofCa
08/16/13 06:04 PM
xx * Hate it. It would just make race differentiation an even bigger deal. I want it to be NO deal. NT
JAF
08/16/13 12:30 PM
xx * It's worse when it's just a mostly white cast. It's just more common so everything thinks its normal. But it's not. NT
LuckyLizzie74
08/16/13 12:36 PM
xx * Not IMO. Just depends on the HGs. It's usually a non-issue, which is the way I prefer it. NT
JAF
08/16/13 12:49 PM
xx * Not feeling it
DonnaG
08/16/13 12:14 PM
xx * but you do understand that just because it would be all or mostly non-white doesn't mean it will be all the same ethnicity, right? It would be a
LuckyLizzie74
08/16/13 12:19 PM
xx * Something to think about.
DonnaG
08/16/13 12:43 PM
xx * Here's something else to think about, why is it that only the white people are supposedly not interested in watching cultures that aren't their own?
FeministKilljoy
08/16/13 01:05 PM
xx * Multiculturalism
DonnaG
08/16/13 01:37 PM
xx * I appreciate this response. I can rarely identify with people's culture because I grew up Pennsylvania Dutch and only like .0001% can relate! lol!
LuckyLizzie74
08/16/13 12:48 PM
xx * I think they recruit based off of the demographic of the viewers, that would be my guess.
JSpears5
08/16/13 11:53 AM
xx * But don't they kind of make race an issue when they have a mostly all white cast anyway? There were only 3 non whites this season and 1 non-hetero. NT
LuckyLizzie74
08/16/13 12:01 PM
xx * Cast was 81% white....
scottzet
08/16/13 02:55 PM
xx * How accurate can this be? Isn't Candice 50/50 more or less? NT
bb4peeker
08/16/13 04:19 PM
xx * In USA, one half black is considered black....
scottzet
08/17/13 05:31 PM
xx * Holy archaic terms, Batman. May I ask where you are from, because you've just stepped back in time 50 years or more with those terms you are
FeministKilljoy
08/17/13 05:42 PM
xx * I am from USA but have lived all over globe. And I don't think US media ever got your message about One Drop Rule....
scottzet
08/17/13 09:33 PM
xx * I don't know much about Tiger Woods other than he had a messy divorce and he identifies as multi-racial. I'm sure that there probably are people in
FeministKilljoy
08/17/13 09:43 PM
xx * Tiger refers to himself as "blasian". I have seen this in interviews. NT
BBAnnie
08/19/13 09:38 AM

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