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*I have seen a few of Vanessa's interviews & she is so articulate. IMO her F2 vote was bitter. She has been questioned about it in each interview I
JillyBean6524 40   10/06/15 09:35 PM
x*Very interesting analysis. Food for thought. NT
FurnitureAlliance11/28/15 12:46 PM
x*Great Post JillyBean... NT
Sizzle10/10/15 05:16 PM
x*Very well written! Thank you for your insights. I agree completely. NT
SockThief10/08/15 05:12 PM
x*Bitter, Bitter, Bitter Bitter: Guesssssss whooooo???? A tale of Ego, Social Experiment, TV, controversy, hypocrisy, Yellow Lamborghinis and Beanies.
BBenthusiast10/07/15 11:50 PM
x*Barely any truth in the whole post actually... but respect your opinion
VelvetWind11/28/15 09:51 AM
x*This section in itself is surely fabrication... but I understand its totally an opinion :)
VelvetWind11/28/15 09:43 AM
x*Sorry, VW! No fabrication here. Too bad flashbacks are no longer there -- this is just what happened in that James/Vanessa HOH confrontation. NT
BBenthusiast11/30/15 09:29 PM
x*The video.. no being practically ballistic and no crying.. so yes fabrication
VelvetWind12/02/15 02:20 PM
x*Mea Culpa: about 1 thing: no crying! BUT watching that video again, she seems even more demeaning and insulting to James than I remember...
BBenthusiast12/03/15 01:11 PM
x*James was being sincere. NT
katharina446212/28/15 10:13 AM
x*James wasn't being sincere.. he was being a d*** lol. He expressed beforehand how he felt about her. There is no sugarcoating the conversation NT
VelvetWind12/31/15 12:06 PM
x*He was being cocky and being an a**.. He was that way before he went up there. I watched the video many times.. and I remembered even before
VelvetWind12/03/15 03:01 PM
x*I'm a second person who has watched the clip many times and see it differently. Vanessa was the a$$. NT
BigGirlPanties12/04/15 06:38 AM
x*Good to know.. I think she's great and that's my opinion NT
VelvetWind12/04/15 03:41 PM
x*I grant you your opinion, and by all means call it what you want, BUT...in my neck of the woods...
BBenthusiast12/03/15 07:05 PM
x*oh dear... again.. your opinion lol NT
VelvetWind12/04/15 03:39 PM
x*LOL! That's all of us Jokersposters with our strong opinions -- WE'RE part of the BB social experiment too! We watch the same shows, the same feeds,
BBenthusiast12/04/15 11:27 PM
x*I can't wait.. I want an All Stars this coming year! NT
VelvetWind12/05/15 08:33 PM
x*I lol'd at the end of the "talk" where James says "I play the lazy way" LOLOL okay NT
colleenag12/03/15 03:11 PM
x*Blather, blither and blah blah blah, Vanessa rules, Steve drools...short, simple and sweet! NT
colleenag10/08/15 06:04 AM
x*Vanessa's justification of her jury vote for Liz: Blather, blither and blah blah blah! NT
BBenthusiast11/25/15 04:54 PM
x*Lol :) NT
VelvetWind10/08/15 08:15 AM
x*Yes, Steve drools all over his winnings. Winning! :) NT
BigGirlPanties10/08/15 07:56 AM
x*Yes, but Vanessa has sooo much more money to drool over :) NT
colleenag10/08/15 07:57 AM
x*Late but its not about the money. Its the prestige title of "Winner of BB". I personally want that title should I audition. NT
Kay1911/26/15 08:53 AM
x*I think Van would have been happy to win the BB 500K, but more, I think she wanted to be the winner of BB17. I don't think she begrudges Steve the $,
JillyBean10/08/15 04:49 PM
x*Who could have been her #2? Austin had Liz, Liz had Julia, Steve had John, Becky had Jackie, Jason had Day then Meg, Meg had James, Jeff had Jackie
VelvetWind10/09/15 12:12 PM
x*I agree with you that had Van been in the F2 she would have won. What I was saying was that her whole expectation rationale that Liz deserved her vote
JillyBean10/09/15 07:20 PM
x*One other point: You would expect a person who was trained in being able to read people like Vanessa was, to have sussed out the fact that Steve
FurnitureAlliance11/28/15 01:17 PM
x*Vanessa said after the game and some interviews she didn't realize all that Steve had done. She then said he played a good game. so there is that NT
VelvetWind11/28/15 01:40 PM
x*That's my point. The expert at reading people failed to read Steve, allowing him to play her and win. Steve should get extra credit for
FurnitureAlliance11/28/15 05:19 PM
x*Naw Steve just got lucky .. nice try lol NT
VelvetWind11/29/15 08:32 AM
x*Audrey coulda shoulda been that number 2, but was too caught up in creating chaos, IMHO NT
dustysnemisis10/09/15 12:18 PM
x*The truth is Vanessa had many connections in the house. she did have bonds with the hgs. How can people say she didn't? James even had a great
VelvetWind10/09/15 12:23 PM
x*ITA ... her social game is way underrated, IMO NT
dustysnemisis10/09/15 12:25 PM
x*for sure .. had a hand in how many evictions? NT
VelvetWind11/28/15 04:45 PM
x*^^^^^! NT
BigGirlPanties10/08/15 05:56 AM
x*If she actually believes what she said in her interview, her logic is skewed. Why would anyone feel a person who dragged to F2 be more worthy
Caramel10/06/15 09:40 PM
x*My point exactly. I wish she would just say she promised Liz her vote so she voted for her. The End. But Van always needs a convoluted "reason" NT
JillyBean10/06/15 10:28 PM
x*lol Exactly NT
FurnitureAlliance11/28/15 01:19 PM
*Help!!! I can't find the Steve, Liz, or Van interviews with Jeff Schroder...
Papacrispin780 3   09/25/15 08:40 PM
x*I don't think there is a studio interview with Vanessa, but the others are out there. He also did backyard interviews of all of them. NT
Nusa09/26/15 11:31 AM
x*Go to CBS.com -- under the Shows -- Big Brother -- then on the Big Brother page, click on Videos -- scroll down and you'll see his interviews
BBenthusiast09/25/15 10:06 PM
x*Thank You NT
Papacrispin09/27/15 05:51 PM
*Van lied & connived all summer, she made deals she never meant to keep she cried & played victim/loner, it was like watching a soap opera Other times
JillyBean16346 79   09/25/15 07:40 PM
x*Excellent analysis! I couldn't add a word to it, except that if she ever shows up on All Stars, she should be the first one evicted. NT
PartyN09/28/15 10:43 PM
x*Vanessa's Jury vote bothers me!
BBenthusiast09/28/15 09:23 AM
x*Vanessa's Reason and the vote she cast for winner were a contradiction. NT
CougarSpy09/28/15 10:58 PM
x*Yep, some people think you should vote for who they think played the better game. I'm not one of them. I say it's your vote and vote how you want
colleenag09/28/15 09:36 AM
x*I cant argue with anyone who has a Tom Brady shirt..... NT
Sizzle10/01/15 09:09 AM
x*I agree about her not being one of the greats and her horrible tactics and personality being turn offs NT
somethinggood09/27/15 03:25 PM
x*Great post on Vanessa's game...we saw the same things and your thoughts were right on point! NT
rodh09/26/15 03:35 PM
x*You are on point from start to finish. I had no love for Vanessa, but had to give her props for her game play until something she said after the game.
Caramel09/26/15 03:29 PM
x*She did say great game.. you got me! that isn't enough? NT
VelvetWind09/29/15 08:36 PM
x*If she was sincere, I think she would have voted for the person who played a good game, rather than the one who was good at being gullible. NT
Caramel09/30/15 09:47 PM
x*She wanted to vote for Liz.. even before finale Vanessa was pep talking Liz. She was much closer to her than Steve.. and Steve lied in his finale
VelvetWind10/01/15 03:32 PM
x*Plus Liz has lady parts, so that seemed to all but guarantee Vanessa's vote for her over Steve (despite Liz being a far worse player). NT
JAF10/02/15 12:42 PM
x*Liz was definitely a worse player. NT
Caramel10/02/15 04:04 PM
x*Yep was all about "girl power" and how! Evicted almost half the men in the BB house...Jeff, Jason, Austin, Jmac and had Liz/Julie evict James.
colleenag10/02/15 12:46 PM
x*Out of curiosity, what was Steve's lie during his speech? NT
Caramel10/02/15 12:30 PM
x*I sure would like to win $500K for not playing. NT
Caramel10/02/15 12:34 PM
x*that he played the game :) NT
Belle10/02/15 12:31 PM
x*I have to agree, when Boogie was outplayed by Ian, his reaction gained major respect from me. NT
Lark09/26/15 12:56 PM
x*Ditto. I was very impressed by Boogie's mature reaction. NT
bb4peeker09/27/15 03:35 AM
x*Boogie about cried with pride. It was a touching moment NT
FurnitureAlliance09/27/15 03:37 AM
x*Ian didn't outplay Boogie. He just took credit for the move. Steve won the rock-paper-scissors style part 3 crapshoot final HOH. He didn't outplay
NoSoupForYou09/26/15 04:32 PM
x*He obviously outplayed her since he won. We even have her own confession that he had tricked her into believing he would take her to F2. NT
AwfuLeeHandsome09/26/15 04:49 PM
x*Results based analysis does nothing for me. If I am all-in with pocket aces against 2-7 and lose, that doesn't mean I was outplayed. Vanessa did the
NoSoupForYou09/26/15 05:03 PM
x*Ah, JillyBean, the power in well-laid-out truth. THIS. NT
BigGirlPanties09/26/15 12:49 PM
x*Where's the "Like" button when you need one? Thank you for writing what I've been thinking most of this summer. NT
MissSallyO09/26/15 12:32 PM
Sizzle09/26/15 11:54 AM
x*thank you. NT
JillyBean09/26/15 11:59 AM
x*Welcome to InDepth
Mikentosh09/26/15 11:37 AM
x*There are tons of people that just watched the show, Tons of people that watched feeds a couple of times a week. I watched every day for hrs
VelvetWind09/29/15 08:33 PM
x*Why on this earth...
Sizzle10/01/15 09:17 AM
x*Well... enjoy :) NT
VelvetWind10/01/15 03:34 PM
x*So, let me get this straight - as long as you agree with someone's opinion then you can respect it? Sounds about right.
procheervet10/01/15 09:37 AM
x*I very much respect your opinion, but by your own wording and beliefs a mediocre player outplayed the best player.
Mikentosh09/30/15 02:17 PM
x*Steve owned nobody..Vanessa's game was very impressive. Steve didn't have a clue as to what was going on in the house. NT
VelvetWind09/30/15 09:40 PM
x*Thanks for the opinion. The results say otherwise. NT
Mikentosh10/01/15 02:30 PM
x*I got some news....
Sizzle10/01/15 09:22 AM
x*So what if he won.. you don't have to be like that! NT
VelvetWind10/01/15 03:36 PM
x*Thank you for the welcome & for your reply. NT
JillyBean09/26/15 11:58 AM
x*I agree, her game was blown up a number of times. Which seriously undercuts claims of her 'greatness'. She was a good player, just not good enough NT
AwfuLeeHandsome09/26/15 11:52 AM
x*ITA... NT
Sizzle09/26/15 12:08 PM
x*Anyone consider Van did not need the money and gave the win to Steve. Bitter Betty is all an act, comes from joy she expressed revealing her secret NT
ne14cookies09/26/15 04:21 AM
x*Are you serious? NT
bb4peeker09/27/15 03:39 AM
x*Yes. we are all entitled to an opinion or to ask a question as varying as they may be. NT
ne14cookies09/27/15 05:07 AM
Sizzle09/26/15 12:03 PM
x*But on the other sign of the coin has she wisely invested her winnings & be worth a ton? I really don't know her net worth. Her reveal just odd NT
ne14cookies09/27/15 05:10 AM
x*I found the fact that she had to mention $4.5 million really odd. The reveal would have been enough and left the others a bit more impressed NT
BBAnnie09/27/15 10:56 AM
x*Many have said that CBS wanted her to say it? I thought that was a known fact? NT
VelvetWind09/29/15 08:38 PM
x*I'm a Vanessa fan, but I too found it odd. I have since found out that that is how poker players are ranked, by winnings. That's why it was said. NT
shae1409/27/15 12:24 PM
x*Thanks, that helps clarify it for me. :D NT
ne14cookies09/27/15 03:56 PM
x*Ditto...but this cast not being part of the poker world, it made it seem like bragging. NT
BBAnnie09/27/15 05:03 PM
x*She selflessly gave him the win but voted against him? I don't see it, cookies NT
AwfuLeeHandsome09/26/15 11:28 AM
x*No way she gave Steve the Win. That is her M.O. its all about winning. Who says Van doesn't need the money? I don't believe anything she says NT
Matzak09/26/15 01:20 PM
x*LOL, I know it is a stretch...it is just how she revealed her secret was really off putting to me and this rationalized it. NT
ne14cookies09/26/15 12:13 PM
x*Oh I absolutely agree on that, was one of the strangest moments of the finale. She has a really off-putting way of presenting information NT
AwfuLeeHandsome09/26/15 12:18 PM
x*I saw this post in BBD and was going to let it go because I can't respond to every over-the-top critical post against Vanessa, but since it was posted
NoSoupForYou09/26/15 01:41 AM
x*I totally agree with this! Well done! NT
VelvetWind09/29/15 08:43 PM
x*And yet she lost. NT
BigGirlPanties09/26/15 12:52 PM
x*Thank you for your reply. The reason I reposted here was b/c it was suggested I do so. As I stated, it was my 1st post here. I appreciate opposing
JillyBean09/26/15 11:52 AM
x*I also wanted to add that I obviously see her different than some others do on a personal level. She is very competitive, is a high achiever with a
NoSoupForYou09/26/15 10:43 PM
x*As I said, I appreciate your point of view even if we didn't get the same perception of what we viewed. I must say I do not know Vanessa personally so
JillyBean09/27/15 11:42 AM
x*One thing is for certain. She is very lucky to have such a loyal supporter as you, and I hope the both of you will be great friends some day. For
LibraLady09/26/15 11:10 PM
x*The only time I saw Van get pissed and call someone out was when they were lying to her (Austin, Clay, JMac) or acting deaf and dumb during
colleenag10/01/15 03:50 PM
x*I think she's amazing too! There are actually many of us that really like her.. She seems to have a a great live out of Big Brother. She leads a very
VelvetWind09/29/15 08:24 PM
x*I respect others having different viewpoints than my own concerning various houseguests. We like who we like. And I understand the point you are
NoSoupForYou09/27/15 12:01 AM
x*I should have been more clear. First, I encourage everyone on this site to post in InDepth. Second, the reason I responded to your post here is
NoSoupForYou09/26/15 04:29 PM
x*Another great post JillyBean...
Sizzle09/26/15 12:15 PM
x*your inside post: some people just wont face facts..... Vanessa got outplayed by Steve. My proof is very simple, Steve went home with the $500,000
VelvetWind10/01/15 03:40 PM
x*We make our own luck.....
Sizzle10/02/15 10:19 AM
x*And sometimes we are just in the wrong place at the wrong time. NT
colleenag10/02/15 10:20 AM
x*I face facts always and people have differnt opinions. I watched the live feeds every day for hrs and hrs. I put myself in each persons position
VelvetWind09/29/15 08:08 PM
x*NoSoup, you are fighting a gallant fight. When judgments are formed based on an incident or two as if they occurred every time or all the time,
Elle51109/26/15 05:48 AM
x*I agree with everything you said NT
VelvetWind09/29/15 08:42 PM
x*Just like in real life, one failure trumps a dozen successes when it comes to social or news media. NT
Nusa09/26/15 11:38 AM
x*Vanessa sure got a lot of people to drink her Cool Aid.... NT
Sizzle09/26/15 12:07 PM
x*Isn't that the game? Convince others to do things which benefit you and not them? NT
Blockhead10/01/15 03:43 PM
x*Kool-Aid NT
VelvetWind10/01/15 03:42 PM
x*Hats to you! This is a fantastic brief on the many flaws in Van's losing game. I have such an affinity for the posters that saw things clearly NT
AwfuLeeHandsome09/25/15 09:22 PM
x*Enjoyable post jellybean NT
Papacrispin09/25/15 08:49 PM
x*GREAT post! BB18 -- keep posting on the In-Depth forum! -- Posts stay around longer -- we certainly don't all agree -- but that's A-OK!!! NT
BBenthusiast09/25/15 08:29 PM
*What Liz could have said in her Q&A/final speech: I know that Steve is well liked. I like him too. But what he is trying to sell to you is hot air.
NoSoupForYou873 3   09/25/15 06:06 PM
x*That would have required Liz to have more than half a brain. LOL NT
BBAnnie09/27/15 11:26 AM
x*Of course what actually happened is she gave basically the same answer to all the questions: the twin twist was hard, but I made it to F2! NT
Nusa09/27/15 04:40 AM
x*If only you could have been there to write that for her. Unfortunately Liz could not really think that well on her own. When asked what her biggest
JillyBean09/26/15 01:47 PM
*After years and years of producer manipulation, increased DR scripting, less intelligent casting, etc... what brings you back each year for more BB?
tv_savage2942 14   09/25/15 02:17 PM
x*One word: Pizza!!! Even when the pizza's not really good, it's still pretty good!
BBenthusiast09/25/15 10:01 PM
x*I might add that for someone who dislikes BB, your last 50 post have all been about BB.. Hmmm NT
Sizzle09/25/15 03:59 PM
x*I still believe in and fight for the concept of Big Brother, and agree that watching strangers co-habitate is definitely fun for a show...
tv_savage09/25/15 05:42 PM
x*Now that I understand completely. NT
Sizzle09/25/15 06:04 PM
x*For me...
Sizzle09/25/15 03:52 PM
x*Excellent synopsis of the fall of BB. Once Shapiro left it slowly devolved into a dumbed-down and highly finagled TV show instead of a game. NT
AwfuLeeHandsome09/25/15 02:29 PM
x*Thank you! NT
tv_savage09/25/15 05:43 PM
x*Yet 48 of your last 50 post have been about Big Brother??? NT
Sizzle09/25/15 03:57 PM
x*do you get paid to use big words? :) NT
Belle09/25/15 02:30 PM
x*Yes, by AG, to try to add some pretentious sophistication to this tripe 'reality' show we're all somehow still addicted to ;)! NT
AwfuLeeHandsome09/25/15 02:32 PM
x*jokers........I'd never watch BB again if not for jokers NT
Belle09/25/15 02:18 PM
x*Is there anything about the show that you can reference? I love Jokers too, but there's no point in coming here to talk about something I hate NT
tv_savage09/25/15 02:21 PM
x*I guess I'm saying if I just watched the TV show but had no one to discuss it with I'd hate the show. but coming here and discussing the players
Belle09/25/15 02:23 PM
x*Fair enough, no need to be sorry! I can't deny that Jokers kept me invested in BB8-15 when there was just as much manipulation then as there is now NT
tv_savage09/25/15 05:44 PM
*I'm happy Steve won the game. Im truly happy for him. I think it was Vanessas game to lose. But I'm going to list why I think Liz and Steve played
Pyke5130 23   09/24/15 04:45 PM
x*I don't think it's as simple as that, because after hearing Steve's jury answers and interviews, he had a lot more strategy than Liz did.
KarenC309/24/15 08:57 PM
x*I’m going to have to take you to task…
Mikentosh09/24/15 06:54 PM
x*Vanessa's opinion of Steve changed based on Steve's behavior. She repeatedly showed frustration that he was not a very helpful ally because
Elle51109/26/15 04:58 AM
x*I think the dynamic between Vanessa and Steve changed because he stopped trusting her. He saw her make alliances with others without telling him,
KarenC309/26/15 09:52 PM
x*If you are going to take Pyke to task then I'm going to take you to task just the same because I think the analysis you represented regarding both
NoSoupForYou09/25/15 02:17 AM
x*Perfect analysis! You definitely watched the feeds! NT
MoodyBBfan09/26/15 04:32 AM
x*Much ado about nothing.... NT
Sizzle09/25/15 03:54 PM
x*Yes, that describes much of Steve's game. :) NT
NoSoupForYou09/25/15 05:20 PM
x*Disappointment for winners though great TV cover-up. NT
tofindmypassion09/25/15 05:40 PM
x*You know NoSoup, I really like your view and analysis about Van's game. And I really want you and Van to compare notes, just for fun and knowledge >>
tofindmypassion09/25/15 03:15 PM
x*Thank you! I genuinely appreciate the positive feedback. I wonder if Vanessa will read any of the Joker discussion board. She might actually find
NoSoupForYou09/25/15 05:48 PM
x*It was the way Vanessa did/does not own up to her game... NT
Sizzle09/25/15 06:08 PM
x*she is never going to own FANS interpretation of her game. If ppl don't like her reasoning or explanations, fine. Is not her problem. NT
Elle51109/26/15 04:43 AM
x*Vanessa made the best strategic moves she could at any given time, but I also think there was a personal cost to her when she made those moves. She
NoSoupForYou09/25/15 06:24 PM
x*I appreciate your passion. Thanks. NT
Mikentosh09/25/15 05:05 AM
x*I was going for logic and persuasion, but I'll take passion too. :) NT
NoSoupForYou09/25/15 02:43 PM
x*Amen sister! I'm so glad you laid this all out because it's 100% truth! I like Steve and I'm happy for him, but he would have been a prejury boot NT
shae1409/25/15 03:00 AM
x*Bingo!!! THIS!!! NT
BBenthusiast09/24/15 11:16 PM
x*Not in 100% agreement w/ the last bit, but nailed the rest. Strategically, Liz would've been LOST without Austin. And Van has said in her post-show
BrahGade09/24/15 10:44 PM
x*I agree. He knew weeks ago that Vanessa was playing him, and I think she underestimated him. I think they all did. NT
KarenC309/24/15 09:09 PM
x*You nailed it. NT
AwfuLeeHandsome09/24/15 09:08 PM
x*Oh Mike, what forum will you be posting on for the next 9 months?? I love reading your post... NT
Sizzle09/24/15 09:07 PM
x*I agree. I am looking for write up of Steve's eviction of Vanessa. He talked so fast I wasn't able to take in all in. NT
CIAO09/24/15 04:49 PM
*there is something that Day and Jason mentioned I think is one of the reasons, both Vanessa, and Steve did well, its not just being liked
JewelDesigner846 2   09/24/15 10:17 AM
x*Really fine comments on the HG's personalities! Goes back to the idea of BB as a "Social Experiment" seeing how people behave under the microscope! NT
BBenthusiast09/24/15 12:29 PM
x*And with people from totally different walks of life than their own. People they probably would not associate with normally in the outside world. NT
BBAnnie09/24/15 06:16 PM
Majuro2115 7   09/23/15 10:52 PM
x*Vanessa's Vote -- gleaned from the Excellent RHAP interviews of Vanessa, Steve & Liz--
BBenthusiast09/24/15 03:12 PM
x*Steve as the winner of BB17 -- Compare/Contrast with the other BB winners -- he's a unique winner -- that's for sure -- my take on his gameplay...
BBenthusiast09/24/15 07:56 AM
x*Great post! One thing is, I actually think Vanessa and everyone else underestimated Steve, and he did play a unique game.
KarenC309/24/15 09:07 PM
x*Van and Steve's alliance name was "SoS" - Students of Sound. NT
CougarSpy09/24/15 02:15 PM
x*Excellent comments, BB. However, I think Steve absolutely did play a "floater" game, though that is not to say that being a "floater" is...
Osei09/24/15 01:18 PM
x*Nicely said BB... NT
Sizzle09/24/15 09:07 AM
x*The main reason he never told her is that Liz would have told Vanessa. That would have blown any chance of Vanessa taking him. Not that she was. NT
Nusa09/23/15 11:27 PM
*Vanessa Russo...
Sizzle8126 34   09/23/15 08:22 PM
x*If she had a day to think on it, I think, she would have voted for Steve. But she was still in her first few emotional minutes of losing the game. NT
jasunny09/24/15 10:22 AM
x*After thinking about it a bit I think Van should be cut some slack. I mean she'd just lost a VERY close final HOH competition that...
Osei09/24/15 09:17 AM
x*Osei, if Vanessa wasn't
Sizzle09/24/15 09:33 AM
x*She's a professional gamer but she spent 98 STRAIGHT DAYS in that house with these people trying to win this game and she ultimately...
Osei09/24/15 10:33 AM
x*It's her comment she made when she cast her vote that has me pissed at her. There was no reason for her to say that... NT
Sizzle09/24/15 10:51 AM
x*The Liz vote was just another example of her poor character and lack of actual understanding that Steve was playing her as much as she was
somethinggood09/24/15 02:30 AM
x*lmao NT
MissJamesWhine09/24/15 05:33 AM
x*Agreed. There's no way in hell that she thought Liz played a better game than Steve. Plus, she admitted to Julie that she never had any intention
BigGirlPanties09/24/15 05:29 AM
x*I gained a little respect for Vanessa when she at least admitted to us that in the endurance comp she was lying to Liz... I dunno...I wasn't as mad...
Majuro09/23/15 10:21 PM
x*Interesting after watching all the BY interviews, the HGs showed so much more respect and admiration for Van than fans have
jube09/23/15 10:17 PM
x*They haven't seen any behind their backs stuff yet like the fans have. NT
TrueNes09/24/15 04:59 AM
x*Yeah, as someone who doesn't hold the way Vanessa played against her I have to agree here. Her comment and justification for way she voted was...
Osei09/23/15 10:00 PM
x*ITA...I didn't understand the point of that at all except that she was bitter. NT
BBAnnie09/24/15 06:09 PM
x*In a vacuum it's like "Okay, yes, I would be bitter about what Steve did", BUT when you take EVERYTHING into consideration it's embarrassing.
BrahGade09/23/15 09:08 PM
x*It's understandable for Vanessa to be bitter for an hour or so after losing $500K. I don't think Steve was expecting to get her vote. NT
Nusa09/23/15 11:35 PM
x*I don't see it as bitter at all!! She had F2 with Liz. If she voted against Liz, people would jump all over her for disloyalty. Geez! NT
jube09/23/15 10:20 PM
x* WOW jube....
Sizzle09/24/15 08:58 AM
x*No, not wow. And not forgotten either. There is nothing classless about
jube09/24/15 09:57 AM
x*What was classless was her comment when she made her vote. I have never liked Vanessa......
Sizzle09/24/15 10:59 AM
x*Yes, her comment about voting for the person that best represented Big Brother, or something like that was well-thought out and a final dig at
CougarSpy09/24/15 11:10 AM
x*Totally right CougarSpy.... NT
Sizzle09/24/15 11:48 AM
x*Obviously we all hold different opinions. The same HG you detest I may actually adore NT
jube09/24/15 12:27 PM
x*Dang jube...
Sizzle09/24/15 12:38 PM
x*So then Austin would have had the same thing in voting for anyone besides Vanessa. NT
TrueNes09/24/15 05:01 AM
x*Not sure if it was bitterness. Couldn't it be that she just liked Liz better? That's obviously the reason Austin and Julia voted for her and nobody's
trifecta09/24/15 03:07 AM
x*Cuz Liz is her blood relative and Austin is in love with her. Wouldn't have expected either to vote any other way but esp Julia. NT
BBAnnie09/24/15 06:12 PM
x*What??? Julia is her TWIN and all Austin wants is to get LAID tonight... NT
Sizzle09/24/15 09:00 AM
x*She knew she had to win HOH. She didn't and knew if Steve a player had to evict her. If anything she was disappointed in herself. NT
ne14cookies09/24/15 03:29 AM
x*she had an f2 was Steve too, one she had longer than she had with liz.
Majuro09/23/15 10:24 PM
x*It's bitterness. She had F2 with nearly everyone on the Jury. F2 agreements are a control mechanism for her, not something to be believed. NT
Nusa09/23/15 11:37 PM
x*Exactly. I think we saw all season that Vanessa lacks severely in the self awareness department. NT
BrahGade09/23/15 10:33 PM
x*I have to agree. No Class. Bitter is not a color you wear well, Van. Out-classed, out-played, out-thought. Get out of my life. NT
Mikentosh09/23/15 08:34 PM
x*exactly. i just cemented my hate for her with her bitter vote. if she would have had more class then my view of her would have relaxed.
augieslimpo09/23/15 08:33 PM
x*I can't say I hate her. I don't hate any of them. Disappointed is a better word for me. Plus she would annoy me IRL the way she carries on. NT
BBAnnie09/24/15 06:14 PM
*Vanessa was never winning anyway, so no big deal that she didn't make final two.
SteveJ956 3   09/23/15 07:20 PM
x*If Vanessa had won F2 and taken Liz she would've won, and would've deserved it.
Majuro09/23/15 11:26 PM
x*Great post Majuro...Right on point... NT
Sizzle09/24/15 09:09 AM
x*The problem with her game was that she made too many promises that she didn't have to, and then broke them.
SteveJ09/24/15 02:13 AM
*Yayyyyyyy!!!! NOW -- win it all Steve!!!!
BBenthusiast2472 11   09/23/15 07:09 PM
x*Immediate thoughts on the Finale
BBenthusiast09/23/15 08:21 PM
x*Vanessa was classless.. NT
Sizzle09/23/15 08:24 PM
x*how so? I thought she handled herself well. did her vote upset you? NT
crazyq09/24/15 12:13 AM
x*It's what she said as she was voting. Saying Liz would better represent BB and what it stands for. NT
Sizzle09/24/15 09:12 AM
x*ouch! NT
jube09/23/15 10:14 PM
x*Our man won BB.... NT
Sizzle09/23/15 08:16 PM
x*Yes, he did, Sizzle. YES HE DID!!!!!!!!! NT
BigGirlPanties09/24/15 05:25 AM
x*You bet, Sizzle!!! For us Steve-fans -- what a great finale!! NT
BBenthusiast09/24/15 05:18 AM
x*Happy for you that you got your winner. For me, it is just another Ian over Dan situation NT
jube09/23/15 07:43 PM
x*Maybe from now on BB players will realize that it's not all about getting to the end. You have to get there and hope you have that connection that
TrueNes09/24/15 05:05 AM
x*If he takes liz...I hope she wins! NT
artzy6309/23/15 07:10 PM
*A Heartfelt Thank You to All the In Depth Posters
dazyhazy2064 11   09/23/15 06:31 PM
x*Dazyhazy, you make me regret I was unable to be here much this season to get to know you. I totally concur, people here at JU are so welcoming and
ne14cookies09/27/15 05:07 PM
x*Aww, so sweet. I know this helps take my mind off the difficulties of the world and in my own life as well if even for a brief moment. NT
BBAnnie09/24/15 06:18 PM
x*Thank you so much!!!
macysmom09/24/15 09:46 AM
x*Thanks for your wonderful sentiments, DH!!! Wishing you well, and looking forward to meeting up again next season!! NT
BBenthusiast09/24/15 05:51 AM
x*Sending hugs across the airwaves. Hope to see you in the Survivor forum. Love your posts! ((((((((Giselle))))))) NT
BigGirlPanties09/24/15 05:32 AM
x*Putting well wishes out into the air for you and anyone who needs them.
Mikentosh09/23/15 08:51 PM
x*Mikentosh...you ARE the BBID forum. It just wouldn't be the same without you. NT
BBAnnie09/24/15 06:20 PM
x*100% agree with you BBAnnie... NT
Sizzle09/24/15 08:53 PM
x*I love when we agree, Sizzle! NT
BBAnnie09/27/15 11:25 AM
x*... NT
Sizzle09/27/15 04:08 PM
x*Gieselle, you add a lot to the In-Depth Forum. I for one love reading your post. See you next season.... NT
Sizzle09/23/15 08:15 PM
*Gotta say, I love this forum, and the people that post here...
frustratedposter722 3   09/23/15 04:06 PM
x*We missed your post this season.... NT
Sizzle09/23/15 04:25 PM
x*Ditto. Many frustrated. More will be later. NT
Mikentosh09/23/15 04:43 PM
x*Thx :) NT
frustratedposter09/27/15 05:39 PM
*Put together some graphs to chart the BB Ratings broken down by Age/Feeds/Gender over the season...
M3gabyt31811 8   09/23/15 12:39 PM
x*Thank you for all you do for Jokers M3gabyt3 NT
Sizzle09/23/15 04:24 PM
x*Wow! Thank you for doing this. NT
Bradshaw09/23/15 01:10 PM
x*Love seeing that my favs ratings all went up and the rest went down. NT
TrueNes09/23/15 01:05 PM
x*Amazing how so many were more popular once out of the game. NT
Debra_Kadabra09/23/15 01:04 PM
x*Absence makes the heart grow fonder maybe? NT
Dulcie09/23/15 01:07 PM
x*Thank you! NT
BBTalking09/23/15 12:50 PM
x*Very interesting. This explains a lot. NT
GameTheorist09/23/15 12:42 PM
x*Sure does! NT
CandieLand09/23/15 12:46 PM
*Analyzing the Final 3 and why they should or should not win the game:
Pyke2816 13   09/23/15 12:06 PM
x*Good Read! But I'm rooting for the HG who was the most Self-Aware & willing to go with the flow, flow, flow, BUT without a life vest:
BBenthusiast09/23/15 02:11 PM
x*I'll counter your points with my views...
Pyke09/24/15 09:33 AM
x*LOL Pyke...
Sizzle09/24/15 09:39 AM
x*I admit Steve outplayed Vanessa in the final 3. I don't admit that Steve made any of the moves he claims. Up until final 3. NT
Pyke09/24/15 09:54 AM
x*This isn't...
Sizzle09/23/15 01:25 PM
x*Steve FTW, indeed. :) NT
BigGirlPanties09/23/15 01:35 PM
x*Classic analysis problem of analyzing what WE see in confidence, rather than what the JURY experienced first hand and how they feel about it.
Nusa09/23/15 01:22 PM
x*This analysis is about their game to this point, not final 2 speeches. This is about their game moves. NT
Pyke09/23/15 01:32 PM
x*My point is it's the Jurys perception of those moves that need analysis, since they are the only ones who decide who "deserves" to win. Not us. NT
Nusa09/23/15 01:51 PM
x*And according to Dr. Will who hosted the Jury meeting, many are very bitter at Vanessa.. NT
Sizzle09/23/15 03:32 PM
x*Enjoyed reading your analysis. Thanks. NT
TazzyD21109/23/15 12:45 PM
x*No analysis needed. It's a reality show that requires a shi* load of luck. NT
Realiteebites09/23/15 12:08 PM
x*Thanks for the work put into that . Nice Job :) NT
kathyG09/23/15 12:08 PM
*What an incredible season of BB especially here in the In Depth forum!!
macysmom1103 5   09/23/15 09:01 AM
x*thank you for all your interesting posts! Get Well Soon! NT
Majuro09/23/15 10:29 PM
x*Adding my Best Wishes, MM! With all the adrenaline pumping tonight for the Finale -- you'll be better in no time!!! NT
BBenthusiast09/23/15 12:39 PM
x*I believe it was Chicago that sang, “well I hope you’re feelin’ better…”
Mikentosh09/23/15 12:25 PM
x*Glad to hear you're on the mend, Liz! You, too, have made posting enjoyable. :) NT
BigGirlPanties09/23/15 12:01 PM
x*Thanks Liz....
Sizzle09/23/15 10:46 AM
*I can honestly say...
Sizzle2357 11   09/22/15 05:16 PM
x*:) I'm glad it's going to over after tonight, but will miss most of the HGs (like a transient, dysfunctional family) and the posts on Joker's. NT
TazzyD21109/23/15 12:49 PM
x*It so hard to say goodbye, so I’ll say so long
Mikentosh09/23/15 12:12 PM
x*Well stated my friend!!!!! NT
macysmom09/23/15 09:02 AM
x*I really don't know how I would even enjoy the show without being able to discuss it ad nauseam on here. How did I do for so long?
augieslimpo09/23/15 07:14 AM
x*AHHHH! Nice sentiments there, Sizzle!! BB would not be BB without Jokers! AND the HGS know it too -- with more shoutouts than ever before!
BBenthusiast09/22/15 06:51 PM
x*... NT
Sizzle09/22/15 09:34 PM
x*ITA.. been mostly lurking since computer died... but can read on phone... just can't type on it... Without JU I have been in the dark. TY all. NT
ne14cookies09/22/15 05:38 PM
x*Time for a new 'puter, C! NT
BigGirlPanties09/23/15 12:02 PM
x*cookies! Miss you at DWTS! NT
Dulcie09/22/15 05:47 PM
x*Thx... missed ya'll too. Did manage to old hunt and peck a little last night.. it is exhausting LOL... NT
ne14cookies09/23/15 05:51 PM
x*Sorry about your computer, cookies. I haven't been around as much either. Not entirely enthralled with the F3. Missed lots of BBAD because the card
BBAnnie09/23/15 06:03 PM
*BB 16 VS BB 17 Final 5 Showdown : Steve/Caleb - Steve tries the classic "Booger from ROTN" Technique and Caleb promptly throws him
Brian362791 3   09/22/15 02:23 PM
x*That was quite entertaining. :) NT
TazzyD21109/23/15 01:35 PM
x*Brian I enjoyed your post. Very clever! NT
dazyhazy09/22/15 03:18 PM
x*Thank you. :-) NT
Brian36209/22/15 05:05 PM
*Have you read the article outlining the 2015 Big Brother Awards?
Mikentosh1092 3   09/22/15 08:47 AM
x*I'm going to disagree with Megs award in both categories. I think she had an impact on the game. Had she not been there,James (in Brando's voice)...
dazyhazy09/22/15 02:37 PM
x*I have read this and could have sworn I agreed with every single category but your logic for disagreeing with the worst twist made me question...
Neva4getme09/22/15 10:58 AM
x*You’re right, my bad.
Mikentosh09/22/15 11:32 AM
*If you’ve got the end of season doldrums…
Mikentosh875 3   09/22/15 07:57 AM
x*AHHHHHH -- I ike Rob Has a Podcast - a lot. BUT - some of the things they are saying, shows they just don't know about the live feed - or Jokers!!
BBenthusiast09/22/15 06:43 PM
x*I watched this morning
Mikentosh09/23/15 07:30 AM
x*Thanks for the heads-up and the link NT
Grammy09/22/15 05:12 PM
*How about that DR montage!
Mikentosh749 1   09/20/15 06:39 PM
x*Prod told STeve to shutup in that DR montage. haha NT
Pyke09/21/15 07:26 AM
*I think Vanessa is playing a terrific game, she has really good control over everything, but I think there were a couple of flaws that hurt her
KarenC38151 34   09/19/15 06:56 PM
x*I'm doubting Steve would have been loyal under any condition. He is evicting her (if he does) because he knows she played a better game not because
jube09/22/15 10:25 AM
x*Liz’s Loyalty
Mikentosh09/22/15 11:18 AM
x*Honestly I will never understand Liz or Austin. Did they really think that everyone in the house were merely there to make sure the austrians were
dazyhazy09/22/15 03:10 PM
x*Proof of what they always say about blood is thicker (Julia being blood over Austin) NT
jube09/22/15 11:29 AM
x*I have read all ...........
Sizzle09/20/15 05:21 PM
x*I'm not really assuming that, and actually Steve has a good chance. NT
KarenC309/20/15 06:33 PM
x*True. It's interesting that Vanessa looks at it this way and talks as if it's a done deal. NT
Caramel09/20/15 06:24 PM
x*I think it's impossible to predict who wins the 3rd contest -- it's a pure crapshoot/guessing game. (Remember the Newlywed Game?) We'll see!! NT
BBenthusiast09/20/15 05:58 PM
x*I disagree completely. This portion of the HOH, as well as The Newlywed Game, is designed to see how well they know their housemates. That kind of
Caramel09/20/15 06:29 PM
x*Yes & No -- A question Rachel missed was what Brendon said her winning season. Seasons i watched frequently (feeds and all) I was always 50/50. NT
BBenthusiast09/21/15 01:23 AM
x*That's one way where Steve might have an advantage, I think he knew the houseguest better than Van. She used to separate herself a lot from the others
KarenC309/20/15 06:35 PM
x*Most true fans know that going in. NT
Caramel09/20/15 07:00 PM
x*Watching Vanessa teaching Steve & Liz Poker!!! Cool - with a capital "C"!!! Watching a pro at work = A-MA-Ziiiiiiing!!!
BBenthusiast09/20/15 04:54 PM
x*I agree Vanessa played a very good game. But so did Steve, Liz, Austin and JohnnyMac. Toward the end some of the good players have to go. Van
Grammy09/20/15 03:21 PM
x*Good to see you back in InDepth, Grammy. Hope everything is alright.
Mikentosh09/20/15 06:52 PM
x*Thank you, Sir. I am fine but having an exceptionally busy summer. I have been hurridly stopping by to keep "in touch" with your insights and those
Grammy09/21/15 08:49 AM
x*And that is why it's difficult for her to count jury votes. She has to sit next to someone she deems in worse shape vote wise than she is. NT
Caramel09/20/15 06:35 PM
x*Right, and I think that not only hurt how the jury sees her but also hurt her alliances too. NT
KarenC309/20/15 03:43 PM
x*Flaw is also with production!! Flashbacks 9/19, 2;38pm Cam1&2. Liz tells Steve how Prod. helped with answer for 2nd part of HOH!! NOT GOOD!!!
BBenthusiast09/20/15 10:29 AM
x*If she doesn't know then she doesn't know. production should of stayed out of it. didn't matter in the end though NT
Matzak09/20/15 10:32 AM
x*Another flaw......
darkling5609/20/15 07:31 AM
x*True. If you want to be voted the best player, take credit for the moves you've made rather than acting like you're a victim playing defense. NT
FurnitureAlliance09/20/15 04:05 PM
x*Karen I agree. She overplayed in many instances. Though her game is flawed, if she's final 2 she will probably win. NT
dazyhazy09/19/15 08:17 PM
x*If she is in F2 with...
Sizzle09/20/15 07:52 AM
x*Don't you kind of want Vanessa in F2 just to see the jury members grill her with questions? NT
burtonab09/21/15 08:14 AM
x*NO..... NT
Sizzle09/21/15 04:32 PM
x*LOL Sizzle NT
dazyhazy09/22/15 03:16 PM
x*Right, I don't think she's necessarily guaranteed to win if she is in F2 with Steve. NT
KarenC309/20/15 03:31 PM
x*I totally agree with you. I think she will dump Steve if she wins part 3. (If she is as smart as she appears to be. How savvy is she? NT
Grammy09/20/15 03:31 PM
x*The other problem is if she evicts Liz over Steve, that might be three votes against her, because Liz, Austin and Julia might vote against her. NT
KarenC309/20/15 03:45 PM
x*I guess I should have asked "How savvy is the jury" Shelli seems convinced V is the best BB player others may become also convinced. There is a good
Grammy09/20/15 04:23 PM
x*Yes Grammy, but....
Sizzle09/20/15 05:17 PM
x*I'm hopeful. I think James is a No Van vote. Jury seems weighted with those not of her In-crowd. NT
Grammy09/21/15 09:12 AM
x*Austin and Julia votes are 100% against her if she keeps Liz, so that argument isn't very strong. She might get Julia's vote if she takes Steve. NT
Nusa09/20/15 03:54 PM
*I know you can't really talk about this here in too much detail but I am curious what makes certain people like Vanessa and certain people hate her NT
kkiiji18225 81   09/19/15 01:00 PM
x*She's a very mixed bag for me. Many positives and negatives. One of the negatives that really turned me off is how she'll completely rewrite
JAF09/21/15 10:48 AM
x*Not to mention the episode with James they replayed where he said he thought she was playing too hard
Mikentosh09/21/15 11:01 AM
x*That took the cake. She's a good player, alright, but borders on cray. NT
BigGirlPanties09/21/15 11:58 AM
x*Here is the root of my dislike for Vanessa. A great player can recognize when a move, even if it is against them, is well played. Vanessa,
procheervet09/21/15 09:23 AM
x*Very well said... NT
Sizzle09/21/15 04:30 PM
x*I thought this was the most harmonious season in the house and on the boards that we have seen, with the exception of Season I. Don't know who picked
Grammy09/20/15 04:15 PM
x*I don't like her, and I don't hate her. I just wish she would be more straight-forward and revealing in her DRs. Part of that is not her fault -->
AuntieDee09/19/15 05:33 PM
x*I don't have a problem with her not being "revealing in her DR's." I simply don't like the way the issues orders and dislikes people who don't
Caramel09/19/15 08:05 PM
x*Exactly. Reminded me a bit too much of Amanda in that reapect. NT
BBAnnie09/23/15 04:46 PM
x*I've been going to some of Derrick's chats, and he said the reason he didn't always say in the DR what he was really planning is because
KarenC309/19/15 07:29 PM
x*I like her because I love how she analyses every situation. She was very entertaining to watch and was always thinking 10 steps ahead of everyone.
airam62609/19/15 02:04 PM
x*100% agree!!! Big Brother has NO rules that say you have to play nice or be kind or make friends with everyone. There's nothing that says you
txladybug09/19/15 02:24 PM
x*I don't hate Vanessa. But I don't root for Vanessa b/c she is BB's tease this year and refuse to oblige AG like she is the shepherd and I am a sheep.
Shea09/19/15 01:49 PM
x*I like her because she wears hats indoors NT
Blockhead09/19/15 01:32 PM
x*...and sunglasses NT
N2BB09/19/15 01:37 PM
x*FIRST, PLEASE move this thread to In-depth forum. It deserves to be there! I like Vanessa because I like how she thinks, and also she is how I
jube09/19/15 01:30 PM
butterfly09/19/15 01:30 PM
x*LOL <3 NT
Dulcie09/19/15 01:32 PM
x*unlike what some say, I think she really cares for people and will help them if she can after the show , either with connections or anyway she can NT
JewelDesigner09/19/15 01:26 PM
x*i love also how she plays she has made this year for me, and love how she is logical with decisions... NT
JewelDesigner09/19/15 01:28 PM
x*Don't hate her, but can't stand the constant touting of her integrity and straight shooter BS. She is also hyper sensitive and entitled. Exhausting NT
momobingo09/19/15 01:22 PM
x*She mesmerized me. Like everything she did~every action &move, had a reason behind it & was thought out in advance. Never seen anything like it. NT
KatOnAHotPC09/19/15 01:18 PM
x*Though you must admit all these traits you like about her could be on a person who had a less ***** personality... right? NT
kkiiji09/19/15 01:19 PM
x*I loved her personality. NT
kmjm09/19/15 01:45 PM
x*Well, I know I wouldve been very bored this season w/o her. Could we be friends? That I don't know. Was she entertaining? THAT's a resounding YES! NT
KatOnAHotPC09/19/15 01:29 PM
x*BB is not exactly supposed to be a Miss Congenality contest NT
Dulcie09/19/15 01:27 PM
x*I thought it was a Avoid The Bitter Jury contest NT
Blockhead09/19/15 01:28 PM
x*Yep, half the game NT
SeeBB09/19/15 01:37 PM
x*Some say that, yes NT
Dulcie09/19/15 01:29 PM
x*My guess is that some people like her game play and others find people that constantly play the victim to be off putting. NT
PaquetteDrizzle09/19/15 01:17 PM
x*This! I picked her to win the first week of feeds and liked her...but the more the game went in and her playing the victim and not owing up
SeeBB09/19/15 01:24 PM
x*I personally do not like her or hate her but I KNOW she deserves to win because I believe she played the best game. NT
Brn2Wander09/19/15 01:15 PM
x*Feel the same. Have run both hot and cold with my feelings on her gameplay, but that is really all it is. She played harder than anyone else, imo. NT
TazzyD21109/19/15 01:19 PM
x*I don't hate her. Don't really hate any of them, but no fondness for Austin. Hard for me to hate people I don't know. Hate is a strong emotion. NT
TazzyD21109/19/15 01:14 PM
x*She was one of my early favs and played a good game. Just can't stand that she plays the victim card every chance she gets. Hate people like that. NT
ScottS09/19/15 01:09 PM
x*It's my biggest turn off ever personality wise. "I'm a victim, it's always somebody else's fault." Like, who raised you? NT
krh503809/19/15 01:12 PM
x*That. Nothing in there is happening more or in worse way to her than it is to anyone else. She just doesn't allow anyone else. NT
RileyO09/19/15 01:30 PM
x*The shame is that only hurt her game. She never needed to be like that since it did nothing for her and almost turned her alliance against her. NT
ScottS09/19/15 01:14 PM
x*Yup. She's very lucky. NT
krh503809/19/15 01:21 PM
x*Yeah I honestly think she is that way in real life too. It's almost impossible that she's not from watching her on the feeds. NT
kkiiji09/19/15 01:13 PM
x*Honestly? I like her because she constantly surprises me. I didn't start out a Van fan, but she seems to play 3-5 steps ahead of everyone else. NT
BucsGal09/19/15 01:08 PM
x*That may have hit the nail on the head for me. Maybe even 10 to 12 steps ahead of everyone else, you know??? NT
KatOnAHotPC09/19/15 01:20 PM
x*Yeah I quit trying to predict what would be better for Vanessa's game, her choices surprised me a lot but they always worked out NT
Dulcie09/19/15 01:14 PM
x*I like Vanessa cause she plays the game entertains us and does what she needs too even if its crying if peeps hate her they are jealous! NT
bella209/19/15 01:07 PM
x*"If peeps hate her they are jealous"...another reason why people hate her. NT
krh503809/19/15 01:09 PM
x*No one said that. NT
kmjm09/19/15 02:11 PM
x*because of her fans? Seriously? NT
Dulcie09/19/15 01:23 PM
x*No, because of her fans (or fans of anybody) who say stuff like that. It's insulting not to mention inaccurate. But that is just one of 100 reason NT
krh503809/19/15 01:41 PM
x*oh my bad, I thought you were saying people hate Vanessa because of her fans NT
Dulcie09/19/15 01:55 PM
x*she was my early favorite, constant whining/crying/emotional explosions turned me off completely
sleepless8809/19/15 01:07 PM
x*Lmao i just can't NT
AwfuLeeHandsome09/19/15 01:12 PM
x*HAHahahhahah NT
kkiiji09/19/15 01:11 PM
x*OMG! That's one of the best screen grabs I've seen all season. NT
Corndogger09/19/15 01:09 PM
x*yep, and not even photoshopped. that's all van. NT
sleepless8809/19/15 01:13 PM
x*It epitomizes the Vanessa polarization in one simple image NT
AwfuLeeHandsome09/19/15 01:13 PM
x*Can it be both? I think she's played an amazing game and guided almost every eviction. But I can't stand her endless explanations and tears. NT
Barbara109/19/15 01:06 PM
x*I adore Vanessa. I'm a fan of the game, that's why I watch, and she is an amazing player, I've enjoyed watching her. NT
butterfly09/19/15 01:04 PM
x*This is how I feel, too! And after watching her play poker, I like her even more!
N2BB09/19/15 01:19 PM
x*Same here NT
Emma109/19/15 01:08 PM
x*Typically I root for the rutheless mastermind types (Dan, Will, Derrick, Neda, Daneille, Alison, etc) but I just can't with Vanessa. NT
krh503809/19/15 01:07 PM
x*Like Vanessa is the same person, doesn't change, so it's the fans that are different. But different how? Why do some like her and some hate her? NT
kkiiji09/19/15 01:01 PM
x*From what I've seen some people seem to hate Vanessa b/c she interrogates people, fake cries too much, drug use, and her immoral lifestyle. NT
Corndogger09/19/15 01:04 PM
x*Am I wrong or didn't we find out the drug-use rumors were pretty much just that...rumors started by one trying to take the spotlight off himself? NT
KatOnAHotPC09/19/15 01:47 PM
x*What is considered immoral, gambling? NT
tonia7398609/19/15 01:06 PM
x*Yes, but I've seen her get bashed on Twitter for being a lesbian as well. For me I only dislike the fake crying--that's b/c she does it too much. NT
Corndogger09/19/15 01:08 PM
x*And here I live in Las Vegas too. LOL I'm a fan but admit she is extreme at times. Bias against sexuality is just ignorant in this day and age IMO. NT
tonia7398609/19/15 01:14 PM
x*Totally agree but sadly some people still do it. Just look back to the nasty comments people made about Audrey when the cast was announced. Lot
Corndogger09/19/15 01:21 PM
x*Exactly. And if she thinks crying is good strategy, it's not. She's lucky the people who can't deal with that weren't better players. NT
krh503809/19/15 01:10 PM
x*Right but she IS doing these things, and only some people seem to care about it, others either ignore it or like it? NT
kkiiji09/19/15 01:06 PM
x*I am more interested in results, and Vanessa has been cleaning house NT
Dulcie09/19/15 01:35 PM
x*somewhat ignore it but can't look away to see the outcome of it NT
koala09/19/15 01:33 PM
x*She is definitely a polarizing personality. I think her constant "I am loyal, I don't lie" spiel is what got to a lot of people. NT
chromebright09/19/15 01:04 PM
x*I don't understand that at all - that's the game. Is she supposed to tell people she's conning them? Out her alliances? NT
butterfly09/19/15 01:07 PM
x*Just because you are playing the game doesn't mean your personality can't stink while you do it. Though some people don't think this way. NT
kkiiji09/19/15 01:08 PM
x*She doesn't have to say either one of those. The problem isn't that she's trying to sell it to others, it comes across to many that she actually
krh503809/19/15 01:08 PM
x*That and her perpetual victim stance. I couldn't stand it in Audrey and I can't stand it in her. Or anybody IRL. NT
krh503809/19/15 01:05 PM
x*Most detractors seem annoyed she cries NT
Dulcie09/19/15 01:03 PM
x*She's a crying bully who interrogates the other HGs and doesn't own her game in the 5 second segments CBS shows of her DR sessions. NT
Blockhead09/19/15 01:07 PM
x*HG's have learned not to be honest in the DR. NT
N2BB09/19/15 01:23 PM
x*Different criteria for what people like in a HG. NT
krh503809/19/15 01:03 PM
x*Yeah probably this one. Some people seem to only care about strong ability to manipulate other house guests, which is fair I suppose. NT
kkiiji09/19/15 01:04 PM
*Vanessa, the puppet-master:
Vicky86753092119 9   09/19/15 08:29 AM
x*RE: Dr Will and Dan and Vanessa. The majority HGs of their season, Will & Dan's , seemed to genuinely like them. Vanessa ??? NT
Grammy09/20/15 03:58 PM
x*HG hated Will in Season 2. In All Stars Will was a production pick. America did not vote for him to be in All Stars. NT
tedismyhomeboy09/23/15 09:21 AM
x*The majority liked Vanessa. Considering she was always on the same side as the majority. Let's not forget, even S10 Dan wasn't the most popular HG...
TheFly09/20/15 08:55 PM
x*Excellent Post! My favorite: #6 getting Ju to choose A in Bowlerina - then convincing the twins afterwards that she was SO innocent! Masterful! NT
BBenthusiast09/19/15 02:38 PM
x*Yes she had some amazing moments in the game NT
Dulcie09/19/15 09:48 AM
x*All very true Vickey, but still not on par to Derick... NT
Sizzle09/19/15 09:44 AM
x*Hard to say. Last season seems like a cakewalk compared to this group. NT
ellenaj09/19/15 03:19 PM
x*I would have liked to see how Derrick did without Team America and with some actual gamers on par with Austin and Steve. NT
Vicky867530909/19/15 11:04 AM
x*Praise aside, she still has to win the last comp to actually win. Steve knows he has to take Liz to F2 to win himself. NT
Nusa09/19/15 09:41 AM
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