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Sizzle907 7   09/16/15 12:10 PM
x*For the record, the debates were a bore... I got to watch BB live or at least the 2nd half live.. NT
Sizzle09/17/15 11:08 AM
x*Here on the West Coast, I get to watch both. NT
dazyhazy09/16/15 01:00 PM
x*Every party has a pooper, that's why we invited you, party-pooper. Party-pooper! d:^D NT
Mikentosh09/16/15 01:04 PM
x*To top it off I'm a libral... NT
Sizzle09/16/15 04:34 PM
x*Lol Sizzle me too. Who would have thunk it with our backgrounds?? NT
dazyhazy09/16/15 04:58 PM
x*Lol. Luv ya Mike! NT
dazyhazy09/16/15 01:22 PM
x*Steve, JMac, Vanessa & Liz all Trump Trump as far as I'm concerned!
BBenthusiast09/16/15 12:47 PM
*Interesting night....
Sizzle6554 41   09/15/15 09:41 PM
x*NOW -- why hasn't JohnnyMac done any hard-core campaigning with V here at F4? Voting is in 3 hours??? Has he given up???
BBenthusiast09/16/15 03:07 PM
x*He knows all the campaigning in the world can't save him. Van knows at this point in the game promises mean zilch. NT
dazyhazy09/16/15 03:15 PM
x*I'll have to wait to see how the pov went down, but I have a strong suspicion that Steve threw it simply because he didn't have the balls to leave
dazyhazy09/16/15 01:20 PM
x*Newsflash!!! Steve is ACTUALLY a character out of a Woody Allen Movie!
BBenthusiast09/16/15 05:37 AM
x*If Steve is crying & so upset that John will most likely be evicted, then why do you think he nominated him ? NT
starrynite09/16/15 08:51 AM
x*because there was no one left NT
Bilbo09/16/15 09:05 AM
x*Liz, but I think Steve knew exactly what he was doing. NT
starrynite09/16/15 10:52 AM
x*He knew the noms were meaningless at F4. HOH keeps you safe but gives you no control over who leaves. That all rests with the veto winner
JAF09/16/15 03:21 PM
x*agree with ya, I also find this to be my favorite season in a LONG time. I'm flabbergasted by those who say they hate it. Guess because
Bilbo09/16/15 04:14 AM
x*I totally agree Bilbo... NT
Sizzle09/16/15 09:11 AM
x*F4 HoH initial noms are meaningless, so there is no actual targeting possible by the HoH. Only the PoV gets to target. NT
Nusa09/16/15 12:38 AM
x*AND -- it grows evermore interesting, Sizzle!! NOW -- Vanessa's won POV -- WHO does she evict?? I go back & forth -- AND my M&Ms aren't helping!!!
BBenthusiast09/15/15 11:18 PM
x*BUT.....
Sizzle09/16/15 09:24 AM
x*Austin is clueless – he has his finger on the pulse, but it’s not the house or the jury’s pulse —
Mikentosh09/16/15 10:11 AM
x*OK then Mikentosh..
Sizzle09/16/15 10:50 AM
x*Austins only concern is his image. He will vote for van. I believe in the end he has enough influence with the twins that Van will have all 3 of
dazyhazy09/16/15 01:43 PM
x*I don't... NT
Sizzle09/16/15 04:39 PM
x*If Liz were in final 2, he'd vote for Liz. If it's Vanessa and either S or JMAC, I'm not so sure he'd vote for Van, at all. Liz would make sure he
BigGirlPanties09/16/15 01:52 PM
x*Could go either way. Vanessa believes neither choice would choose her for F2, even if they say they will. So it may come down to her "integrity"... NT
Nusa09/16/15 12:41 AM
x*I would think it's a slam dunk that she'll evict JMac (unfortunately). My only hope is that Vanessa pulls a Vanessa and overthinks it so much
JAF09/16/15 06:29 AM
x*Vanessa and Steve had a long talk about this last night....
Sizzle09/16/15 09:33 AM
x*You mean for Van/Steve to overcome the automatic 2 votes Liz would get? I dunno. Would Liz get more than 2 votes against ANY of the other 3 left?
JAF09/16/15 11:14 AM
x*I have no idea how the jury will vote at this point. NT
Sizzle09/16/15 11:58 AM
x*I just remember a few of them (Shelli, and I think someone else, as well as Steve in the house) commenting with "damn, she's good"
JAF09/16/15 03:15 PM
x*Do I dare hold out hope???? NT
procheervet09/16/15 09:55 AM
x*Yes... NT
Sizzle09/16/15 10:50 AM
x*Oh, my! You've given me hope, too! NT
BigGirlPanties09/16/15 09:47 AM
x*look at us big girl :) its gonna be another long day NT
Belle09/16/15 09:47 AM
x*Yes, it is, my friend. Sitting on pins and needles! NT
BigGirlPanties09/16/15 09:48 AM
x*Sitting on hope right here with you. NT
BigGirlPanties09/16/15 08:35 AM
x*She may. Note Steve is openly turned to Liz tonight to sleep & bond with her and it may be because he wants to force Van to go after Liz. NT
wrinky09/16/15 06:32 AM
x*What makes me think it won't happen this time is that the equation is much simpler now for her with so few people left. Before she'd twist
JAF09/16/15 08:40 AM
x*Your forgetting that...
Sizzle09/16/15 09:46 AM
x*But she's still all about having the best odds she can get. Between JMac and Liz, I'd think her odds on a comp are better vs Liz. And probably
JAF09/16/15 11:07 AM
x*Sorry to keep springing off you, Sizzle. Blood Stains and Final Speech – A Brief History
Mikentosh09/16/15 10:58 AM
x*So am I...but Van is in the F3 now that she won POV.. NT
Sizzle09/16/15 12:04 PM
x*That isn't why Dan lost though. He lost because he crossed a line in how he used Danielle and devastated her emotionally. NT
JAF09/16/15 11:26 AM
x*To paraphrase the essay from "The Breakfast Club" - you see things as you want to see them. I called it like I saw it. NT
Mikentosh09/16/15 11:42 AM
x*I'm rooting the same way as you (I'd love a Steve-JMac F2). But I do think Vanessa (flaws and all) has played the strongest game by a
JAF09/16/15 11:56 AM
x*I agree, if Van makes F2 I personally think she deserves the win. I'm just hoping the F2 are Steve and Johnny Mac.. NT
Sizzle09/16/15 12:06 PM
x*I agree with you, JAF. I'd have to give her the win based on merit alone if she makes it to the end. I'm also wanting a S or JM win, though. NT
BigGirlPanties09/16/15 12:00 PM
*F4!! Who does Steve nominate? Who will win the next POV? AND, who will win BB17? I say......Steve FTW. Runner-up: JMac. Sayonara Liz & Vanessa!
BBenthusiast1479 10   09/15/15 06:32 PM
x*Will watch the debate tonight. Disgusted. Cannot stand Vanessa or Liz. Arrogant, obnoxious entitled beotches. NT
procheervet09/16/15 09:13 AM
x*well, we know Van won veto. So F3 will be V-S-L. And F2 Van and Steve. She is pumping him up now for that... NT
jube09/15/15 10:23 PM
x*Remember that Van needs Liz on the Jury to have ANY chance of getting the three Austwin jury votes. NT
Nusa09/16/15 01:56 AM
x*Here you go again jube..don't say that...
Sizzle09/15/15 10:32 PM
x*Well, if JMac is evicted today (as I think he will be-- Van would have to have lost her marbles to do otherwise), my earlier post will be at
jube09/16/15 08:33 AM
x*For van to get any Austwin votes, she needs to evict Liz now so they have over a week to accept they all lost and become less bitter about it. NT
Nusa09/16/15 01:51 PM
x*While I'd love that result, I don't think she really needs any Austwin votes to win the game. I think her taking Liz to the F2 actually
JAF09/16/15 02:59 PM
x*I agree JAF... NT
Sizzle09/16/15 04:43 PM
x*I could make peace with Liz going tonight. NT
Mikentosh09/16/15 02:07 PM
x*I’m counting on Liz holding a grudge…
Mikentosh09/15/15 07:49 PM
*A must read-Updates 9/14/15, 11:10am, posted by Lbc.....
Papacrispin1005 2   09/14/15 12:50 PM
x*I think you mean highlights, not updates NT
jube09/14/15 03:00 PM
x*You're correct. Thank you Jube NT
Papacrispin09/14/15 07:53 PM
*RHAP correspondent Taran Armstrong posted a long summary of possible F4 scenarios, interesting read with good analysis.
steveshikadance1105 3   09/14/15 09:04 AM
x*A lot of the HG thinking that he implies as fact could be considered Game talk..also, the fact that Johnny is still there changes Jury thinking. NT
rodh09/14/15 07:22 PM
x*How can he be so off base on who each person evicts? NT
DaisyChain09/14/15 10:32 AM
x*agreed, i don't agree with a lot of his conclusions but its a good thorough prediction nonetheless NT
steveshikadance09/14/15 11:49 AM
*Has JMac put the last nail in his coffin?
jube12270 59   09/13/15 09:55 AM
x*Well, some ~5000 views later... the last nail has been pounded into that coffin. Though for somewhat different reasons than I was thinking when
jube09/17/15 08:00 AM
x*HA!!! I knew it!!! Check out Jokers Highlights forum -- a LONG transcription of JMac & Steve discussion -- Rockstars are a STRONG alliance.
BBenthusiast09/14/15 12:13 PM
x*BB Welcome aboard the Rockstar train NT
dazyhazy09/14/15 10:58 PM
x*Uh, not all of us were fooled BBenthusiast...
Sizzle09/14/15 01:46 PM
x*Oh man -- I totally bought into JMac's convo's with A&V saying he'd save Austin! Just call me Gullible!! NT
BBenthusiast09/14/15 02:23 PM
x*Gullible.... NT
Sizzle09/14/15 08:48 PM
x*L-O-L!!!! NT
BBenthusiast09/15/15 03:31 AM
x*I.E. Van's instincts are right NT
dustysnemisis09/14/15 01:48 PM
x*Yep. If he votes Austin out and Liz votes Steve, then Vanessa plays the big hero role and saves Austin. Johnny is the bad guy and...
PartyN09/14/15 09:22 AM
x*I don't think that is what BBenthusiast is saying at all. Just the opposite I believe NT
Sizzle09/14/15 01:48 PM
x*Vanessa has made it VERY clear in her Sunday night conversations with JohnnyMac that she is Voting out Austin as long as JM's on board! NT
BBenthusiast09/14/15 12:16 PM
x*She made it clear that she wants j-mac to believe that. Period. NT
dustysnemisis09/14/15 12:18 PM
x*So it's going to a tie, then she has to break the tie. At this point she needs to vote Austin out. She has to know Austin won't take her to F2 if Liz
agent9909/14/15 06:24 PM
x*Right on! The plan is to set Jmac up and for her to look good to Austin. Not sure why she likes Austwit over J & J, but I think I see what's up. NT
PartyN09/14/15 05:51 PM
x*Why would she do that. Liz votes out Steve and JMac votes out Austin. It's a tie. Then she has to get blood on her hands.
agent9909/14/15 03:12 PM
x*Good point, but the fact that she wants to break the tie tells me she is going to be the one to save Austin and she will do it in
PartyN09/14/15 06:14 PM
x*Well, tonight's vote shows what I know about this game -- NOTHING! NT
PartyN09/15/15 08:24 PM
x*LOL.. We all have called it wrong at one time or another...Join the In-Depth club.... NT
Sizzle09/15/15 09:20 PM
x*No she is going to vote out Austin...
Sizzle09/14/15 08:52 PM
x*So long as any of Julia, Austin, or Liz's are in the game Van doesn't have their votes. Van needs all three of them gone to win the game.
Nusa09/14/15 05:22 PM
x*So right your are Nusa... NT
Sizzle09/14/15 08:53 PM
x*ROCKSTARS, BABY!!!!! Looking at Updates, the mood may have shifted last night & JM will boot Austin --
BBenthusiast09/14/15 03:34 AM
x*JMac has played this endgame PITCH PERFECT! The Player (Vanessa) got played! And another player (Austin) got played by the dentist from Scranton,PA!!
BBenthusiast09/14/15 05:08 AM
x*Unless Liz tries to sabotage Johnny Mac and votes to evict Austin, Van has to break the tie…
Mikentosh09/14/15 07:31 AM
x*Wow BB, I have been saying this to you and jube for days now.
Sizzle09/14/15 06:56 AM
x*I sure will be smiling if they give Austin the boot tomorrow! However, in no way is JMac the mastermind here. It will only work if he and Van
jube09/14/15 07:52 AM
x*NOPE>>> not at all... NT
Sizzle09/14/15 01:50 PM
x*I'll EAT MY HAT if JM and V don't vote out Austin at F5. 100% sure this will happen!!!......well make that 99.5% (L-O-L)! But I'll bet the farm!!! NT
BBenthusiast09/14/15 09:06 AM
x*Glad to see you come
Sizzle09/14/15 01:52 PM
x*Steve knows Vanessa's plan to save him so though Van says don't say anything, she already told him. The real players were hidden in plain sight.
wrinky09/14/15 05:14 AM
x*Open letter to Steve re: JohnnyMac's vote...
BBenthusiast09/13/15 02:26 PM
x*Though CBS advertises "live feeds 24/7", there are still many conversations we do not hear. Be it intentional or not,I continue to believe that...
dazyhazy09/13/15 02:48 PM
x*Liz and Van were gone for hours, feeds were off, Austin has always been a little off…
Mikentosh09/13/15 03:25 PM
x*I'm right there with you. I will not flip flop again. NT
dazyhazy09/13/15 03:46 PM
x*Hardly the last nail. Regardless of this coming vote, if JMac wins either of the next two competitions, he's in F3 no matter what! NT
Nusa09/13/15 01:40 PM
x*I admit I may be way off base with my take and if I am I will be eating crow after this coming eviction. As I see it jmac is playing both van and
dazyhazy09/13/15 11:33 AM
x*^^^this^^^ NT
Boobach09/14/15 06:06 PM
x*So will I with you. I think you just nailed Johnny Mac. NT
Sizzle09/13/15 03:49 PM
x*If necessary I'll order enough for 2:) NT
dazyhazy09/13/15 04:00 PM
x*RIGHT now JM & S are by themselves in the back yard. WHY no game talk? Are they or Aren't they an alliance? I can't figure them out! NT
BBenthusiast09/13/15 11:09 AM
x*The walls have eyes is why no game talk. NT
Mikentosh09/13/15 11:11 AM
x*LATEST -- Vanessa and Steve in HOH -- She's coaching him on what to say to JMac! Steve doesn't seem to have a clue!!!
BBenthusiast09/13/15 11:34 AM
x*Let me ask you a question...
Sizzle09/13/15 04:01 PM
x*FYI - Fredonia is a state university in NY. Certainly not Ivy League ;) NT
procheervet09/14/15 09:28 AM
x*The Ivy League school was Cornell, where Steve began to matriculate. NT
Mikentosh09/14/15 10:01 AM
x*Yes! NT
dazyhazy09/13/15 05:48 PM
x*LOL! NT
Caramel09/13/15 01:22 PM
x*No. They don't know what he will do. They also don't know how close he is with the jury or that he is BB super fan. Van is still pitting S/A. NT
Adamlovechild109/13/15 10:23 AM
x*Van keeps pointing out to everyone who will listen how close JMac is to the jury NT
jube09/13/15 12:47 PM
x*Go back to my thread on this topic...
Sizzle09/13/15 10:22 AM
x*Your thread is fantastic. Only thing I didn't find there is the new wrinkle about voting out Austin. Which I think JMac is seeing (wrongly) as his
jube09/13/15 10:54 AM
x*Not following you jube..You think..
Sizzle09/13/15 04:07 PM
x*I think it would be a great move for JMac's benefit to vote out Austin. Unfortunately for him, it sounds like he is not going to do it. Instead
jube09/13/15 05:37 PM
x*Jmac voting Steve out just means it will be a tie cuz Liz will NOT vote out her man. He's putting it on Vanessa. That's smart NT
Merdawg109/13/15 05:41 PM
x*That would be both Liz and Jmac voting out Steve. 2-0 and he'd be gone. NT
JAF09/13/15 07:33 PM
x*Maybe I'm just thick, but by my count only Liz and Steve can vote. If Liz votes for Steve to go and JMac votes for Steve to go, that's 2-0. No need
agent9909/13/15 06:12 PM
x*Uh Steve can't vote maybe?? NT
Sizzle09/13/15 08:49 PM
x*That's old. He's only Saying he's voting out Steve to shut them up. NT
Merdawg109/13/15 06:16 PM
x*I didn't think of that. Yes, that is smart. Also, listening to them talk now it is clear that Van + JMac's alliance went through a blip, and they
jube09/13/15 05:59 PM
*If John wins POV...
Sizzle3512 21   09/12/15 04:52 PM
x*And John wins POV! Whoooeee! UNBELIEVABLE how quickly the game's shifted this year!! Let a long, slow dirge for Steve begin on the trombones!
BBenthusiast09/12/15 05:57 PM
x*IT'S SHIFTED -- AGAIN! Now it looks Like Vanessa wants to keep Steve! (V&S Game-talk 9/12 7:14pm.) BUT JM&A simultaneously talking - JM wants S out!!
BBenthusiast09/12/15 07:56 PM
x*Vanessa's working OVERTIME trying to convince JMac to keep Steve!! BUT...JMac knows Vanessa's power --- and her mist may be fading...
BBenthusiast09/12/15 10:58 PM
x*Have we considered Johnny Mac is saying what the others want to hear?
Mikentosh09/13/15 06:43 AM
x*With Steve, almost no conversation. With Austin, 2 key talks -- I honestly think JMac's opting to keep Lizten, even as he admits that's nuts.
BBenthusiast09/13/15 07:21 AM
x*ADDENDUM:
Mikentosh09/13/15 09:13 AM
x*Possibility Johnny is ACTING for Vanessa & Austin -- 8:56am Cam.3 - VERY interesting V&S interchange...
BBenthusiast09/13/15 10:10 AM
x*I would not be surprised....
Sizzle09/13/15 10:15 AM
x*LOL - cause the game keeps changing! AND it's changing again - A & JM just now seem VERY tight! I'm back up to 50/50 who's leaving! NT
BBenthusiast09/13/15 10:37 AM
x*Like I would be surprised LOL NT
Sizzle09/13/15 03:37 PM
x*That's what I'm wondering, since he and van are supposed to be pretending they are still against each other? NT
artzy6309/13/15 06:46 AM
x*If nothing else, JMac ought to realize that it's advantageous for him to force Vanessa to break the tie and get all the blood on her hands. NT
JAF09/13/15 06:56 AM
x*Exactly! He should tell Austin he's voting for him to go to force Vanessa to break the tie. NT
PartyN09/13/15 03:16 PM
x*Also advantageous for him to get out Steve, who would be JMac's greatest competition if next HoH is before-after. It's about comps now, not blood. NT
Nusa09/13/15 01:56 PM
x*Getting out...
Sizzle09/13/15 03:41 PM
x*And expose her. Exactly! NT
Caramel09/13/15 01:53 PM
x*This wouldn't have happened if Vanessa had just nominated Austin and Liz to begin with. Ugh. NT
JAF09/13/15 06:30 AM
x*Didn't Van tell Steve he was safe this week?
Papacrispin09/12/15 07:13 PM
x*Yes, and she repeated the promise tonight, post-veto. It remains to be seen if she can keep it. NT
Nusa09/12/15 11:08 PM
x*I don't recall her telling him he's safe. With some luck we'll know who got evicted on Monday night. NT
Corndogger09/12/15 07:32 PM
x*She told him several times. NT
Caramel09/13/15 01:54 PM
*Vanessa's moves at F5: Good? Bad? What? Where? Why? How?
BBenthusiast1632 7   09/12/15 02:58 AM
x*Less blood and F4 HoH is why she should have thrown it to John. It worked out for Johnny. He has two chances to win in F4, Vanessa only one. NT
Nusa09/12/15 11:14 PM
x*Good thing for Van she didn't throw to JMac! He has already stabbed her in the back NT
jube09/13/15 04:54 AM
x*How is that jube?? NT
Sizzle09/13/15 10:18 AM
x*I hope...
Sizzle09/12/15 08:43 AM
x*My hope is a backstab too. Of course if Austiz gets PoV, that hope is dashed.
Mikentosh09/12/15 09:23 AM
x*Agree with you on #1. On #2, I think putting up one of each couple (Steve+Austin, or another combo) would have been more interesting. But I'm sure
jube09/12/15 05:27 AM
x*L-O-L!!! NT
BBenthusiast09/12/15 06:30 AM
*It will be a feedless day from 9:30-am until 11:45pm. Who do you want to win and why? Ladies and Gentlemen, state your case. My choice: Steve.
BBenthusiast4209 21   09/11/15 04:42 AM
x*I am guessing I am in the minority this yr. But nothing unusual for me. I have had no HG fav this yr until....
Emijo09/11/15 11:13 PM
x*ALL good valid points!! NT
BBenthusiast09/11/15 11:43 PM
x*My final 3 would be Vanessa, Steve and John, with Final 2 of Vanessa and Steve, John has not really done anything except throw comps. NT
DaniTheWinner09/11/15 09:44 PM
x*Despite throwing comps, he's actually won more comps than anyone else this season. They just weren't HoH's. NT
Nusa09/13/15 01:45 PM
x*How we forget..
Sizzle09/12/15 08:29 AM
x*I have no interest in any of them. I hate it when all the Hgs just give it someone & don't have a mind of they're own. BB16 & now this season. NT
starrynite09/11/15 06:39 PM
x*My F2 Fantasy picks were Steve/Vanessa...now I don't even care about either one winning..If they do win..a charity will get my winnings NT
rodh09/11/15 02:42 PM
x*Feeds out. .. you know what that means!
CookieMMM09/11/15 01:41 PM
x*Ariana Grande Concert doesn't sound like much of a coverup to me... Just saying.. NT
Sizzle09/12/15 01:04 PM
x*omg--that is quite a conspiracy theory! you mean we are all just watching taped feeds now? sounds pretty bizarre to me. NT
skylucy09/12/15 11:54 AM
x*Not feasible...
Sizzle09/11/15 04:34 PM
x*My guide says BBAD is coming on at 11 CT / 9 PT – during the feeds blackout. I’m assuming it’s an error or we’ll see the tour/interviews AGAIN NT
Mikentosh09/11/15 04:50 PM
x*Now that is very feasible... NT
Sizzle09/11/15 05:00 PM
x*Is this 100% correct? If so have they done this before? NT
BBenthusiast09/11/15 02:54 PM
x*Not at this point in the game. Only the day before the eviction from F4 to F3. Yesterday made no sense. And they have gotten so lazy by showing
BBAnnie09/12/15 09:18 PM
x*I'm for JMac as the underdog, but I'll settle for Steve. My last wish is Vanessa - I just can't overlook,
bb4peeker09/11/15 01:40 PM
x*I’m not ready to say die yet
Mikentosh09/11/15 12:33 PM
x*Was not a big fan of Vanessa--probably because of her fast talking doublespeak--it was easy at first to get caught up in her words and lose focus.
jannequin09/11/15 09:20 AM
x*Great post! Come back often! NT
bb4peeker09/11/15 01:42 PM
x*I like your choice and reasons, but
Papacrispin09/11/15 07:33 AM
x*Well thought out post and I agree with you 100% about JohnnyMac....
Sizzle09/11/15 08:33 AM
*Vanessa should throw this HoH imo, but it looks like she's winning it...
Majuro772 4   09/10/15 07:30 PM
x*The Energizer Bunny has NOTHING over Vanessa!!! Got Dizzy listening to Vanessa and her machinations post HOH. She's good, boy! NT
BBenthusiast09/11/15 02:58 AM
x*She probably should have let JMac win, but HoH does guarantee surviving the week. And not playing in F4 HoH. NT
Nusa09/10/15 10:50 PM
x*She won HOH! (the competitive side of her won out.) NOW -- can JM become the first HG in BB history to win BB by doing practically nothing??? NT
BBenthusiast09/10/15 09:14 PM
x*and being a returning player NT
tedismyhomeboy09/11/15 02:18 PM
*It seems many are under the impression Vanessa letting the twins into the house was a BB faux pas and a terrible game move. I do not agree.
BrahGade519 2   09/10/15 06:41 PM
x*If things go as they seem to be going now, and Van makes F2 with either Austin or Liz, saving twins ultimately will have been her best move NT
jube09/11/15 07:04 AM
x*Not so much if she takes Austin to F2...
Sizzle09/11/15 08:24 AM
*I was leaning back in the chair just now, thinking about the Derrick or Van rivalry…
Mikentosh741 3   09/10/15 01:33 PM
x*Yes ... and ... No.
BBenthusiast09/10/15 05:09 PM
x*Love your idea, but they would have to recruit them for the show...
Sizzle09/10/15 04:19 PM
x*Sorry. I was addressing the debate here about Derrick and Van. NT
Mikentosh09/10/15 07:07 PM
*If Liz survives tonight...
Sizzle953 5   09/10/15 10:07 AM
x*I was surprised that Van decided to vote out Julia instead of Liz. The only sense I can find in this is that Van would prefer to see
jube09/10/15 12:19 PM
x*Because it's what the twins want and pissing em off is bad for her jury vote situation. Besides, Van cannot evict Liz without JMac's help! NT
Nusa09/10/15 05:10 PM
x*Vanessa needs to win.....
Sizzle09/10/15 03:45 PM
x*I think with Liztin still there, Vanessa can seriously consider throwing next HoH, since JMac should go after them, and they'll go after Jmac/Steve
Majuro09/10/15 02:36 PM
x*JMac would go after Liztin, but if one gets veto, Vanessa may well be gone! Steve and JMac would decide. NT
Nusa09/10/15 05:12 PM
*Question regarding Vanessa after watching last night's show
Majuro2109 13   09/10/15 09:02 AM
x*She wanted Julia out. And I doubt she thought Julia would beat Austin, so her whole helping them stay together was manipulation NT
Bleuag09/10/15 12:07 PM
x*I see no justification for calling Vanessa's actions "tricks," when other players' actions are called strategy. Beyond that, it was in Julia's
jube09/10/15 12:07 PM
x*jube, people who use that expression...
Sizzle09/10/15 03:36 PM
x*Have to agree with that. If you've never seen a real war, you really don't understand. What you see on TV/internet just scratches the surface. NT
Nusa09/10/15 05:17 PM
x*They all lie and deceive to "trick" other people, I wasn't implying her ploy was more devious, it was her reaction afterwards that was uncalled for
Majuro09/10/15 02:50 PM
x*I got the interpretation isn't like that at all, I don't think she 'trick' the twins ONLY for her benefit, but yes she always try to make something
tofindmypassion09/10/15 11:34 AM
x*She did do it for herself! It worked because she hit Julia without giving her time to think about it, and failed because she lost the twins trust. NT
Nusa09/10/15 05:22 PM
x*Austin had made clear to Vanessa/John/Steve that he needed to play the game for himself and didn't want to go to F3 with both Julia and Liz for
NoSoupForYou09/10/15 10:12 AM
x*Vanessa always thinks of herself.... NT
Sizzle09/10/15 04:00 PM
x*It's just part of her overplaying, she has to survive at all costs and she doesn't care who gets ruffled over it. It's why she's looking at a jury
AwfuLeeHandsome09/10/15 09:24 AM
x*Agreed, Vanessa is the Queen of...
Sizzle09/10/15 09:42 AM
x*Absolutely, jurors were almost delighted to hand Derrick their vote. I just don't see the same fate for Van, who left a sour taste in many mouths NT
AwfuLeeHandsome09/10/15 09:51 AM
x*Thanks for the replies, I appreciate the different perspectives!
Majuro09/10/15 03:02 PM
*Verbosity Abounds
Mikentosh3252 25   09/09/15 04:53 PM
x*The Grate Debate: Van vs Derrick
Mikentosh09/11/15 08:22 AM
x*Best read of the summer.. Thanks Mikentosh for posting it. NT
Sizzle09/10/15 09:21 AM
x*Very articulate, and impressive! I think Vanessa has far surpassed Derrick's abilities at manipulation. last night watching her
bb4peeker09/10/15 02:53 AM
x*I'm sorry but.....
Sizzle09/10/15 09:32 AM
x*Different view, Sizzle...And actually you make my case for me! -
bb4peeker09/11/15 04:05 AM
x*It's really simple...
Sizzle09/11/15 08:14 AM
x*Derrick didn't even know Hayden and Nicole were a couple. There were times he was so out of the house dynamics that it was almost cringe worthy
petite609/10/15 03:48 PM
x*Derrick was an undercover cop in the drug world....
Sizzle09/10/15 03:54 PM
x*and yet it meant nothing in the BB house. lol I wanted to love him, but his gameplay was subpar. Past players could run circles
petite609/10/15 03:59 PM
x*His gameplay was so bad that he won. NT
Nusa09/10/15 05:23 PM
x*LOL,
Sizzle09/10/15 09:55 PM
x*Me, too, Sizzle. I've watched every season of BB and, to me, Derrick remains the master. NT
BigGirlPanties09/11/15 07:32 AM
x*Yep. Derrick was great at manipulating people without them even realizing it. Vanessa is good at it too, but unlike Derrick, she lets HERSELF
JAF09/11/15 07:41 AM
x*IA. Derrick was great w/ the cast he had & it appeared like he was this amazing player but I don't see him having survived to jury w/ the greats.
JlynnB09/10/15 04:24 PM
x*What...
Sizzle09/10/15 04:10 PM
x*Vanessa is a much smarter pure game strategist than Derrick and has played both strong offense and defense this year. Derrick freaked out when Amber
NoSoupForYou09/10/15 10:22 AM
x*Dumbest mistake, that Derrick orchestrated....
Sizzle09/10/15 03:28 PM
x*I couldn't agree more. It's sacrilege to even put them in the same sentence considering all the differences in gameplay NT
AwfuLeeHandsome09/10/15 09:41 AM
x*Agreed. Derrick's wasn't even a mist. It was a thick morning fog hovering above a pond. No one could see a thing. NT
BigGirlPanties09/10/15 09:38 AM
x*L-O-L! True this! Even though I'm rooting for Steve (big time), can you imagine BB17 without Vanessa?? Like Batman without the Joker!! NT
BBenthusiast09/10/15 04:55 AM
x*Agree! HOH Blog shows the heart & soul of a true BB winner! BUT - question: should Steeeeeve have worked harder to give Liz the boot this week? NT
BBenthusiast09/10/15 01:23 AM
x*Great blog, thanks for posting NT
MoodyBBfan09/09/15 06:52 PM
x*Steve stated out loud to himself he would nominate Meg and Jackie the night before DE. NT
NoSoupForYou09/09/15 05:05 PM
x*I'm just sayin what he said in the blog. O tjpigjt je was after Becky, myself, and didn't ask Johnny Mac to use PoV. NT
Mikentosh09/09/15 06:05 PM
x*I understand. I should have made clear that you were only repeating what Steve said in his blog. IMO, Steve wrote a good one. NT
NoSoupForYou09/09/15 11:26 PM
*Hi all I've out of town and only able to read your great posts & unable 2 respond but there's a great post in highlights by Tigrress that I think
dazyhazy315 1   09/09/15 04:45 PM
x*It is a good post, but somewhat ameliorated by Steve's HOH CBS blog - he's onto Vanessa and has a lot of more mettle than he's given credit for! NT
BBenthusiast09/10/15 07:48 AM
*If Julia is voted out Thursday...
steveshikadance1865 13   09/09/15 11:31 AM
x*A lot depends on how much the HG believe the jury hates V. Both Steve and Austin mentioned on the feeds that Becky told John she would vote for V.
tedismyhomeboy09/10/15 01:06 PM
x*I totally agree. NT
Sizzle09/10/15 03:46 PM
x*I’m still holding out hope that Van and Johnny Mac do the right thing
Mikentosh09/10/15 09:01 AM
x*Vanessa will be voted out not Johnny Mac in the event Vanessa/Johnny Mac are on the block eviction day NT
somethinggood09/10/15 07:17 AM
x*yep looks that way the way liz has been talking the past few days NT
steveshikadance09/10/15 11:21 AM
x*Add Austin, Steve and JohnnyMac.. NT
Sizzle09/10/15 03:50 PM
x*I think there would be a good chance Vanessa uses veto if Austin or Liz win HOH to get out Austin or Liz. Also, Van is probably bigger target than
NoSoupForYou09/09/15 05:15 PM
x*Very good analysis though your model assumes Austin, Liz, and John have an equal chance of winning which, depending on the comp may not be the...
Osei09/09/15 03:11 PM
x*hmmm. good point, but it seems like Vanessa is not playing to win but playing not to lose so she wont rock the boat if she wins veto IMO NT
steveshikadance09/09/15 03:41 PM
x*Great analysis! NT
DaisyChain09/09/15 02:04 PM
x*Are you, can we be, sure Steve and John won’t save one another and vote out Van (or whomever)?
Mikentosh09/09/15 12:38 PM
x*Not going to happen. If Steve or John are the HOHs (thus the deciding vote) they won't be deciding between their close allies, instead it'll be
JlynnB09/09/15 12:49 PM
x*That's how I see it, too. Vanessa sure is sitting pretty. NT
BigGirlPanties09/09/15 11:39 AM
*OT>>> I am so conflicted about Thursday evening...
Sizzle1183 10   09/08/15 09:18 PM
x*I use picture in picture and jump between audios during commercials.. NT
rodh09/10/15 09:14 AM
x*I need to watch my Patriots on my full big screen...
Sizzle09/10/15 09:26 AM
x*Why would you want to watch a bunch of mostly addlepated morons bash each other, when you could watch football instead???????????? ;-) NT
Majuro09/09/15 06:14 PM
x*Majuro, you got me laughing with your post...Thank You... NT
Sizzle09/10/15 09:01 AM
x*My wife is neither a football fan or a Big Brother fan, so I guess I have to tape the game, stop it for awhile and watch me BB's eviction.
Sizzle09/09/15 08:23 AM
x*This time of year is tough... I need to make some moves from active to IR. :^D NT
Mikentosh09/09/15 08:48 AM
x*Yup, any New Orleans fan should LOL... NT
Sizzle09/09/15 03:26 PM
x*If you can record both. Quicker to catch up in football (T/O, time btwn plays, commercials). Stop the game, watch the show, catch up football NT
Mikentosh09/09/15 07:34 AM
x*CBS.com posts the shows pretty quickly (same night -- but late) on their website. If you want to be surprised -- DON'T READ Jokers, though!!! NT
BBenthusiast09/09/15 05:25 AM
x*I was a HS football coach for 30+ years. Love sports. I use DVR NT
Papacrispin09/08/15 09:50 PM
*The Pantheon of great BB Winning manipulators include WillBB2&7, DanBB10&14, AndyBB15, DerrickBB16. Is Vanessa destined to join this august 500k club?
BBenthusiast1340 6   09/08/15 07:27 PM
x*Andy is NOT a master manipulator. Andy got lucky. He was a sloppy, obvious person who was with the worst cast in 15 yrs who all basically hating on
Thunderclap09/09/15 06:31 PM
x*I’m going to try not to rant about those “BB Heros” having played against lackadaisical, lackluster, uninterested, attention seekers.
Mikentosh09/09/15 01:14 PM
x*I don't remember Will or Dan or Derrick being crybabies........ NT
procheervet09/09/15 09:41 AM
x*I agree and disagree,
Sizzle09/08/15 09:10 PM
x*What's strange to me is how Vanessa has been able to re-gain everyone's trust & loyalty even after they became aware of her manipulations. NT
bb4peeker09/09/15 03:17 AM
x*Its psychological warfare for Vanessa....
Sizzle09/09/15 08:25 AM
*The vitriol directed at the twins: is it deserved? Fan faves the Reilly sisters and Britney were mean trash talkers who cried and acted entitled.
jovoh3647 27   09/08/15 07:07 AM
x*Very selective memories...
Kreasor09/10/15 06:33 AM
x*Selective, Indeed
Mikentosh09/10/15 07:19 AM
x*Interesting...
Kreasor09/10/15 12:19 PM
x*You've clearly never met my family. :^D
Mikentosh09/10/15 01:01 PM
x*The (im)Perfect Storm
Mikentosh09/08/15 12:21 PM
x*I'm totally with you to have Steve & JMac as F2! I'm enjoying the dynamics of the F6 A LOT -- I like the game talk and the maneuverings this year...
BBenthusiast09/08/15 06:03 PM
x*it sucks that there's a huge section of the BB community that act like pit vipers. It's ruined my experience as a fan ;( NT
tv_savage09/08/15 12:09 PM
x*Im sorry....
Sizzle09/08/15 02:13 PM
x*To what YOU are saying, Sizzle, I absolutely agree that every fan is entitled to love/hate whoever they please...
tv_savage09/08/15 05:55 PM
x*Not my point at all. It started with the hate-pocrisy during BB15 (fans bitching about HG's for bitching about HG's)...
tv_savage09/08/15 05:28 PM
x*BUT tv_savage, you are still watching and
Sizzle09/08/15 08:57 PM
x*Thanks :) Just so you know, Shapiro was long gone before Jeff's Coup d'Tat (he was the Exec Producer of BB2-7). I barely tune in for the TV shows...
tv_savage09/09/15 12:09 PM
x*Nicely stated, savage! There is a difference. Just as some dislike POTUS for his politics but get called racist for doing so. NT
BBAnnie09/09/15 06:01 PM
x*Wonderful post...you nailed it. I come to ID because it is calmer. People here discuss things calmly even if they disagree. We seem to be
BBAnnie09/08/15 05:43 PM
x*Yes, the posters of In-Depth are a kinder folk ;) NT
tv_savage09/08/15 05:49 PM
x*When they are good, they are very, very good...when they are bad, they are....
BBenthusiast09/08/15 11:45 AM
x*I am anxious for you to read and respond to
Sizzle09/08/15 01:54 PM
x*LOL -- to figure out MY reactions -- I refer to 2 people: Siegmund and Freud, a couple of Las Vegas stage psychiatrists with a VERY funny act...
BBenthusiast09/08/15 04:19 PM
x*The "Sigmund Freud" conversation was hilarious! Did you notice Austin's face when it was obvious neither of the twins knew who he was? NT
bb4peeker09/10/15 03:15 AM
x*That look was priceless! They made Jordan seem smart in comparison. NT
BBAnnie09/10/15 06:19 PM
x*Brit and Chilltown (Brit and Dr. Will in particular) were able to get away with cattiness/sarcasm largely because they had a quick wit and...
Osei09/08/15 12:13 PM
x*Absolutely! It's not WHAT you say, It's HOW you say it. NT
bb4peeker09/10/15 03:19 AM
x*I don't know if you..
Sizzle09/08/15 01:59 PM
x*I agree!!! NT
Nomajority09/08/15 01:22 PM
x*Nah, it isn't deserved. They are annoying, but I don't get what the big deal is other than they ARE annoying. The trio factor has helped all in the
BigGirlPanties09/08/15 10:27 AM
x*IMO no - I think both the twins and Austin get way too much flak. I think there's been a mob mentality with regards to...
Osei09/08/15 08:45 AM
x*Go to Jokers HG daily
Sizzle09/08/15 09:17 AM
*The big question from now till Thursday...
jube3501 23   09/07/15 08:46 AM
x*As far as the twins go,
Sizzle09/07/15 04:20 PM
x*Does a rhetorical question need an answer? Is there even an answer? It's no question. Austin is a huge asshat if he doesn't vote Liz out too. NT
Mikentosh09/07/15 11:38 AM
x*Vanessa & JMac's votes will be deciding ones. I think Austin will, and should, give Liz a "love" vote in his own interest. NT
bb4peeker09/07/15 03:40 PM
x*Assuming Austin votes out Julia, then it takes Van AND JMac to vote out Liz. Which means JMac can vote out Julia without Van's vote if he chooses. NT
Nusa09/07/15 05:58 PM
x*Of course, but I think JMac is treading lightly as of now in his newfound alliance and will vote their way. NT
bb4peeker09/10/15 03:23 AM
x*This years Victoria (Meg) is gone!! YIPEE!! All Players are left to fight it out!
Matzak09/07/15 04:30 PM
x*Except Julia is also a Meg, functionally. Someone who doesn't win stuff and that anyone can win against at the end. NT
Nusa09/07/15 05:59 PM
x*I agree Van wants Liz out. I don't agree about JMac. Evicting Julia may be best for him. NT
Nusa09/07/15 11:12 AM
x*Why? Both Liz and Julia want JMac gone (after Steve), but Liz is more likely to get hoh and actually do it. NT
jube09/07/15 11:43 AM
x*It's all about getting to the end now. Here's my logic, from JMac's point of view:
Nusa09/07/15 06:20 PM
x*VAn wants Austin on her team, not Liz's. NT
Mikentosh09/07/15 11:56 AM
x*But w/ Liz still there it's Austin & Liz on Van's team and both can win comps. I can see the reasoning but I could see Van doing better w/ Liz stay
JlynnB09/07/15 06:48 PM
x*Jlynn I have a question about your percent choices.
Papacrispin09/07/15 08:09 PM
x*As we enjoy reading your's Papacrispin NT
Sizzle09/08/15 09:03 AM
x*Not laughing at ya, I'm an accountant w/ a numbers obsession. Early into each season I start a spreadsheet that I update each week with my "rankings"
JlynnB09/07/15 09:37 PM
x*Great post...but I am getting to old for these numbers. But I love the fact
Sizzle09/08/15 09:09 AM
x*Wow! Just wow! This should be a top post!! NT
jube09/08/15 08:01 AM
x*Outstanding job JlynnB NT
Papacrispin09/08/15 07:39 AM
x*There are only 4 comps left before F3. Then F3 comps are 2-1 against Vanessa if Liz/Austin pair remains. NT
Nusa09/07/15 07:15 PM
x*I don't think Van actually WANTS Liz & Austin to stay, but Van should be able to spin it if it happens. I think Van could probably win 1 of fHOHs NT
JlynnB09/07/15 09:41 PM
x*That is the weak part of this season. While everyone is indeed playing they are not necessarily playing well. If they go by what the twins decide
wrinky09/07/15 08:51 AM
x*Agreed... NT
Sizzle09/07/15 04:22 PM
x*Then again, people often say things to keep the campaigning to a minimum and actually vote how they want. NT
Nusa09/07/15 11:13 AM
*So disgusted
ShallowTwins1605 7   09/06/15 11:44 PM
x*They are and have been disgusting ....
Sizzle09/07/15 04:04 PM
x*Respectfully, I don't see how any BB fan cannot at least appreciate the skill with which Vanessa has played. Even if they don't like her tactics -->
AuntieDee09/07/15 09:52 AM
x*There are more Vanessa fans out here than people realize! We enjoy discussing van's strategies and what her next move should be. NT
skylucy09/09/15 03:33 PM
x*Where are they??? NT
Sizzle09/09/15 03:40 PM
x*AuntieDee....
Sizzle09/07/15 04:14 PM
x*I'd like to see JMac win too. He's my first choice. My point about the 500k was made because original poster said she didn't need to win and
AuntieDee09/08/15 12:28 AM
x*As long as it's any of the 3 (Steve, JMac, Vanessa), I'll be OK with the winner. But just "ok". There's no one I feel great about this season,
JAF09/08/15 06:41 AM
*After spending the weekend with my spirit animal (a 19.34 lb black angus prime whole, untrimmed brisket) a couple of things have become clear
Mikentosh747 3   09/06/15 06:24 PM
x*Enjoyed your post NT
Papacrispin09/07/15 11:52 AM
x*An Excellent post requires a good old Yiddish saying: " Fun dayn moyl in BBGots oyern!!" From your Mouth to BBGod's Ears!! NT
BBenthusiast09/06/15 07:32 PM
x*Agreed ... NT
Sizzle09/07/15 11:33 AM
*Can we get a thread going on JohnnyMac? A. Why is he SO popular? B. Is he THAT good a game player he deserves to win?
BBenthusiast1371 8   09/06/15 01:44 PM
x*He is a very likeable guy compared to Steve or Vanessa. I don't believe in arguing deserve. If you get to the end you are deserving. NT
somethinggood09/09/15 03:38 AM
x*This! NT
BigGirlPanties09/09/15 06:03 AM
x*If you look at his interview for POP TV you’d hear him say he wants to play dumb and then finish strong.
Mikentosh09/07/15 11:32 AM
x*Probably he should stick to dentistry in the future, lol. The main thing I like about JMac is
jube09/07/15 08:31 AM
x*It's an obviously bad move for Vanessa's game. It's a pretty decent move for JMac's game. I explained in more detail in another thread. NT
Nusa09/07/15 06:29 PM
x*It's always amazes me how we can...
Sizzle09/07/15 03:58 PM
x*Audrey said in an interview that Johnny Mac ws her biggest surprise when she was his DRs. She said he's nothing like that in the house. So... NT
Mikentosh09/06/15 02:36 PM
x*I have NO idea - He would make me nervous with his odd voice & behaviour & I have not seen much strategy at all . NT
bb4peeker09/06/15 02:19 PM
*It's unlikely, but if Julia wins POV to save Liz
bb4peeker3535 19   09/05/15 03:51 AM
x*Can someone explain? As I understand,during POV Vanessa told Julia to pick Austin to go head to head in some contest that Julia didn't have a chance
BBenthusiast09/05/15 06:09 PM
x*Basically, Vanessa suckered Austin into not throwing it to Julia? NT
dustysnemisis09/05/15 06:14 PM
x*Austin was NEVER going to throw it to Julia. No one (Austin, Steve, Van, JM) wanted Julia to win NT
jube09/06/15 08:12 AM
x*ITA. For some reason, I think Austin wanted someone else to cut her to get her and her twin in jury so that is 2 votes for him. IMO. He isn't
GazingEyes09/06/15 08:16 AM
x*OH YE OF LITTLE FAITH! - BB has not devolved into predictable late summer doldrums! As of Post-POV all HELL is breaking loose!
BBenthusiast09/05/15 03:42 PM
x*Austin won POV by putting his own game before Austwin game. THEN he made his Judas TV act more important than supporting Liz. Liz hates him now. NT
Nusa09/05/15 05:38 PM
x*Welcome to the club, Liz. NT
JAF09/05/15 05:39 PM
x*It never is Kumbuya within an alliance when they finally (and I emphasize FINALLY!) get targeted. NT
JAF09/05/15 04:47 PM
x*Newsflash: 9//5/2015: POV in tutus has precipitated Civil War among the Austrians!!! -- UPI NT
BBenthusiast09/05/15 04:19 PM
x*Like it or not, the Austrians' presence may loom large for the rest of BB17!
BBenthusiast09/05/15 08:52 AM
x*Option 3 on your list if Julia gets POV should be Vanessa convinces Julia it is to her advantage not to use pov so that Austin is voted out because
jube09/05/15 12:58 PM
x*Julia isn't that dumb. Using PoV saves Liz and gets 100% control of the vote between them! However, Vanessa has a chance of swaying that vote. NT
Nusa09/05/15 02:43 PM
x*Recent drama now proves that both twins were well-aware that Julia getting POV was highly desirable. It would have been used! Academic now. NT
Nusa09/05/15 05:30 PM
x*BB again I have to disagree..
Sizzle09/05/15 09:10 AM
x*I believe there's a real chance JMac would vote out Julia then. If Liz isn't left as a target for Vanessa, then JMac/Steve may become her targets. NT
Nusa09/05/15 02:47 PM
x*JMac is saying they should let the twins decide who goes. NT
jube09/06/15 08:13 AM
x*Proof! Now that Austin actually won, JMac has ALREADY proposed voting out Julia instead of Liz. NT
Nusa09/05/15 05:25 PM
x*Now my hope is Austin, Steve & JMac flip on Vanessa & target her! NT
bb4peeker09/05/15 06:20 PM
x*Oops!! You're right -- Post has been updated!! LOL -- glad I'm not in the BB house! I'd be REALLY confused!! NT
BBenthusiast09/05/15 09:28 AM
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