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*Vanessa was never winning anyway, so no big deal that she didn't make final two.
SteveJ1143 3   09/23/15 07:20 PM
x*If Vanessa had won F2 and taken Liz she would've won, and would've deserved it.
Majuro09/23/15 11:26 PM
x*Great post Majuro...Right on point... NT
Sizzle09/24/15 09:09 AM
x*The problem with her game was that she made too many promises that she didn't have to, and then broke them.
SteveJ09/24/15 02:13 AM
*Yayyyyyyy!!!! NOW -- win it all Steve!!!!
BBenthusiast3058 11   09/23/15 07:09 PM
x*Immediate thoughts on the Finale
BBenthusiast09/23/15 08:21 PM
x*Vanessa was classless.. NT
Sizzle09/23/15 08:24 PM
x*how so? I thought she handled herself well. did her vote upset you? NT
crazyq09/24/15 12:13 AM
x*It's what she said as she was voting. Saying Liz would better represent BB and what it stands for. NT
Sizzle09/24/15 09:12 AM
x*ouch! NT
jube09/23/15 10:14 PM
x*Our man won BB.... NT
Sizzle09/23/15 08:16 PM
x*Yes, he did, Sizzle. YES HE DID!!!!!!!!! NT
BigGirlPanties09/24/15 05:25 AM
x*You bet, Sizzle!!! For us Steve-fans -- what a great finale!! NT
BBenthusiast09/24/15 05:18 AM
x*Happy for you that you got your winner. For me, it is just another Ian over Dan situation NT
jube09/23/15 07:43 PM
x*Maybe from now on BB players will realize that it's not all about getting to the end. You have to get there and hope you have that connection that
TrueNes09/24/15 05:05 AM
x*If he takes liz...I hope she wins! NT
artzy6309/23/15 07:10 PM
*A Heartfelt Thank You to All the In Depth Posters
dazyhazy2645 11   09/23/15 06:31 PM
x*Dazyhazy, you make me regret I was unable to be here much this season to get to know you. I totally concur, people here at JU are so welcoming and
ne14cookies09/27/15 05:07 PM
x*Aww, so sweet. I know this helps take my mind off the difficulties of the world and in my own life as well if even for a brief moment. NT
BBAnnie09/24/15 06:18 PM
x*Thank you so much!!!
macysmom09/24/15 09:46 AM
x*Thanks for your wonderful sentiments, DH!!! Wishing you well, and looking forward to meeting up again next season!! NT
BBenthusiast09/24/15 05:51 AM
x*Sending hugs across the airwaves. Hope to see you in the Survivor forum. Love your posts! ((((((((Giselle))))))) NT
BigGirlPanties09/24/15 05:32 AM
x*Putting well wishes out into the air for you and anyone who needs them.
Mikentosh09/23/15 08:51 PM
x*Mikentosh...you ARE the BBID forum. It just wouldn't be the same without you. NT
BBAnnie09/24/15 06:20 PM
x*100% agree with you BBAnnie... NT
Sizzle09/24/15 08:53 PM
x*I love when we agree, Sizzle! NT
BBAnnie09/27/15 11:25 AM
x*... NT
Sizzle09/27/15 04:08 PM
x*Gieselle, you add a lot to the In-Depth Forum. I for one love reading your post. See you next season.... NT
Sizzle09/23/15 08:15 PM
*Gotta say, I love this forum, and the people that post here...
frustratedposter878 3   09/23/15 04:06 PM
x*We missed your post this season.... NT
Sizzle09/23/15 04:25 PM
x*Ditto. Many frustrated. More will be later. NT
Mikentosh09/23/15 04:43 PM
x*Thx :) NT
frustratedposter09/27/15 05:39 PM
*Put together some graphs to chart the BB Ratings broken down by Age/Feeds/Gender over the season...
M3gabyt32199 8   09/23/15 12:39 PM
x*Thank you for all you do for Jokers M3gabyt3 NT
Sizzle09/23/15 04:24 PM
x*Wow! Thank you for doing this. NT
Bradshaw09/23/15 01:10 PM
x*Love seeing that my favs ratings all went up and the rest went down. NT
TrueNes09/23/15 01:05 PM
x*Amazing how so many were more popular once out of the game. NT
Debra_Kadabra09/23/15 01:04 PM
x*Absence makes the heart grow fonder maybe? NT
Dulcie09/23/15 01:07 PM
x*Thank you! NT
BBTalking09/23/15 12:50 PM
x*Very interesting. This explains a lot. NT
GameTheorist09/23/15 12:42 PM
x*Sure does! NT
CandieLand09/23/15 12:46 PM
*Analyzing the Final 3 and why they should or should not win the game:
Pyke3452 13   09/23/15 12:06 PM
x*Good Read! But I'm rooting for the HG who was the most Self-Aware & willing to go with the flow, flow, flow, BUT without a life vest:
BBenthusiast09/23/15 02:11 PM
x*I'll counter your points with my views...
Pyke09/24/15 09:33 AM
x*LOL Pyke...
Sizzle09/24/15 09:39 AM
x*I admit Steve outplayed Vanessa in the final 3. I don't admit that Steve made any of the moves he claims. Up until final 3. NT
Pyke09/24/15 09:54 AM
x*This isn't...
Sizzle09/23/15 01:25 PM
x*Steve FTW, indeed. :) NT
BigGirlPanties09/23/15 01:35 PM
x*Classic analysis problem of analyzing what WE see in confidence, rather than what the JURY experienced first hand and how they feel about it.
Nusa09/23/15 01:22 PM
x*This analysis is about their game to this point, not final 2 speeches. This is about their game moves. NT
Pyke09/23/15 01:32 PM
x*My point is it's the Jurys perception of those moves that need analysis, since they are the only ones who decide who "deserves" to win. Not us. NT
Nusa09/23/15 01:51 PM
x*And according to Dr. Will who hosted the Jury meeting, many are very bitter at Vanessa.. NT
Sizzle09/23/15 03:32 PM
x*Enjoyed reading your analysis. Thanks. NT
TazzyD21109/23/15 12:45 PM
x*No analysis needed. It's a reality show that requires a shi* load of luck. NT
Realiteebites09/23/15 12:08 PM
x*Thanks for the work put into that . Nice Job :) NT
kathyG09/23/15 12:08 PM
*What an incredible season of BB especially here in the In Depth forum!!
macysmom1400 5   09/23/15 09:01 AM
x*thank you for all your interesting posts! Get Well Soon! NT
Majuro09/23/15 10:29 PM
x*Adding my Best Wishes, MM! With all the adrenaline pumping tonight for the Finale -- you'll be better in no time!!! NT
BBenthusiast09/23/15 12:39 PM
x*I believe it was Chicago that sang, “well I hope you’re feelin’ better…”
Mikentosh09/23/15 12:25 PM
x*Glad to hear you're on the mend, Liz! You, too, have made posting enjoyable. :) NT
BigGirlPanties09/23/15 12:01 PM
x*Thanks Liz....
Sizzle09/23/15 10:46 AM
*I can honestly say...
Sizzle2947 11   09/22/15 05:16 PM
x*:) I'm glad it's going to over after tonight, but will miss most of the HGs (like a transient, dysfunctional family) and the posts on Joker's. NT
TazzyD21109/23/15 12:49 PM
x*It so hard to say goodbye, so I’ll say so long
Mikentosh09/23/15 12:12 PM
x*Well stated my friend!!!!! NT
macysmom09/23/15 09:02 AM
x*I really don't know how I would even enjoy the show without being able to discuss it ad nauseam on here. How did I do for so long?
augieslimpo09/23/15 07:14 AM
x*AHHHH! Nice sentiments there, Sizzle!! BB would not be BB without Jokers! AND the HGS know it too -- with more shoutouts than ever before!
BBenthusiast09/22/15 06:51 PM
x*... NT
Sizzle09/22/15 09:34 PM
x*ITA.. been mostly lurking since computer died... but can read on phone... just can't type on it... Without JU I have been in the dark. TY all. NT
ne14cookies09/22/15 05:38 PM
x*Time for a new 'puter, C! NT
BigGirlPanties09/23/15 12:02 PM
x*cookies! Miss you at DWTS! NT
Dulcie09/22/15 05:47 PM
x*Thx... missed ya'll too. Did manage to old hunt and peck a little last night.. it is exhausting LOL... NT
ne14cookies09/23/15 05:51 PM
x*Sorry about your computer, cookies. I haven't been around as much either. Not entirely enthralled with the F3. Missed lots of BBAD because the card
BBAnnie09/23/15 06:03 PM
*BB 16 VS BB 17 Final 5 Showdown : Steve/Caleb - Steve tries the classic "Booger from ROTN" Technique and Caleb promptly throws him
Brian362945 3   09/22/15 02:23 PM
x*That was quite entertaining. :) NT
TazzyD21109/23/15 01:35 PM
x*Brian I enjoyed your post. Very clever! NT
dazyhazy09/22/15 03:18 PM
x*Thank you. :-) NT
Brian36209/22/15 05:05 PM
*Have you read the article outlining the 2015 Big Brother Awards?
Mikentosh1299 3   09/22/15 08:47 AM
x*I'm going to disagree with Megs award in both categories. I think she had an impact on the game. Had she not been there,James (in Brando's voice)...
dazyhazy09/22/15 02:37 PM
x*I have read this and could have sworn I agreed with every single category but your logic for disagreeing with the worst twist made me question...
Neva4getme09/22/15 10:58 AM
x*You’re right, my bad.
Mikentosh09/22/15 11:32 AM
*If you’ve got the end of season doldrums…
Mikentosh1045 3   09/22/15 07:57 AM
x*AHHHHHH -- I ike Rob Has a Podcast - a lot. BUT - some of the things they are saying, shows they just don't know about the live feed - or Jokers!!
BBenthusiast09/22/15 06:43 PM
x*I watched this morning
Mikentosh09/23/15 07:30 AM
x*Thanks for the heads-up and the link NT
Grammy09/22/15 05:12 PM
*How about that DR montage!
Mikentosh855 1   09/20/15 06:39 PM
x*Prod told STeve to shutup in that DR montage. haha NT
Pyke09/21/15 07:26 AM
*I think Vanessa is playing a terrific game, she has really good control over everything, but I think there were a couple of flaws that hurt her
KarenC310583 34   09/19/15 06:56 PM
x*I'm doubting Steve would have been loyal under any condition. He is evicting her (if he does) because he knows she played a better game not because
jube09/22/15 10:25 AM
x*Liz’s Loyalty
Mikentosh09/22/15 11:18 AM
x*Honestly I will never understand Liz or Austin. Did they really think that everyone in the house were merely there to make sure the austrians were
dazyhazy09/22/15 03:10 PM
x*Proof of what they always say about blood is thicker (Julia being blood over Austin) NT
jube09/22/15 11:29 AM
x*I have read all ...........
Sizzle09/20/15 05:21 PM
x*I'm not really assuming that, and actually Steve has a good chance. NT
KarenC309/20/15 06:33 PM
x*True. It's interesting that Vanessa looks at it this way and talks as if it's a done deal. NT
Caramel09/20/15 06:24 PM
x*I think it's impossible to predict who wins the 3rd contest -- it's a pure crapshoot/guessing game. (Remember the Newlywed Game?) We'll see!! NT
BBenthusiast09/20/15 05:58 PM
x*I disagree completely. This portion of the HOH, as well as The Newlywed Game, is designed to see how well they know their housemates. That kind of
Caramel09/20/15 06:29 PM
x*Yes & No -- A question Rachel missed was what Brendon said her winning season. Seasons i watched frequently (feeds and all) I was always 50/50. NT
BBenthusiast09/21/15 01:23 AM
x*That's one way where Steve might have an advantage, I think he knew the houseguest better than Van. She used to separate herself a lot from the others
KarenC309/20/15 06:35 PM
x*Most true fans know that going in. NT
Caramel09/20/15 07:00 PM
x*Watching Vanessa teaching Steve & Liz Poker!!! Cool - with a capital "C"!!! Watching a pro at work = A-MA-Ziiiiiiing!!!
BBenthusiast09/20/15 04:54 PM
x*I agree Vanessa played a very good game. But so did Steve, Liz, Austin and JohnnyMac. Toward the end some of the good players have to go. Van
Grammy09/20/15 03:21 PM
x*Good to see you back in InDepth, Grammy. Hope everything is alright.
Mikentosh09/20/15 06:52 PM
x*Thank you, Sir. I am fine but having an exceptionally busy summer. I have been hurridly stopping by to keep "in touch" with your insights and those
Grammy09/21/15 08:49 AM
x*And that is why it's difficult for her to count jury votes. She has to sit next to someone she deems in worse shape vote wise than she is. NT
Caramel09/20/15 06:35 PM
x*Right, and I think that not only hurt how the jury sees her but also hurt her alliances too. NT
KarenC309/20/15 03:43 PM
x*Flaw is also with production!! Flashbacks 9/19, 2;38pm Cam1&2. Liz tells Steve how Prod. helped with answer for 2nd part of HOH!! NOT GOOD!!!
BBenthusiast09/20/15 10:29 AM
x*If she doesn't know then she doesn't know. production should of stayed out of it. didn't matter in the end though NT
Matzak09/20/15 10:32 AM
x*Another flaw......
darkling5609/20/15 07:31 AM
x*True. If you want to be voted the best player, take credit for the moves you've made rather than acting like you're a victim playing defense. NT
FurnitureAlliance09/20/15 04:05 PM
x*Karen I agree. She overplayed in many instances. Though her game is flawed, if she's final 2 she will probably win. NT
dazyhazy09/19/15 08:17 PM
x*If she is in F2 with...
Sizzle09/20/15 07:52 AM
x*Don't you kind of want Vanessa in F2 just to see the jury members grill her with questions? NT
burtonab09/21/15 08:14 AM
x*NO..... NT
Sizzle09/21/15 04:32 PM
x*LOL Sizzle NT
dazyhazy09/22/15 03:16 PM
x*Right, I don't think she's necessarily guaranteed to win if she is in F2 with Steve. NT
KarenC309/20/15 03:31 PM
x*I totally agree with you. I think she will dump Steve if she wins part 3. (If she is as smart as she appears to be. How savvy is she? NT
Grammy09/20/15 03:31 PM
x*The other problem is if she evicts Liz over Steve, that might be three votes against her, because Liz, Austin and Julia might vote against her. NT
KarenC309/20/15 03:45 PM
x*I guess I should have asked "How savvy is the jury" Shelli seems convinced V is the best BB player others may become also convinced. There is a good
Grammy09/20/15 04:23 PM
x*Yes Grammy, but....
Sizzle09/20/15 05:17 PM
x*I'm hopeful. I think James is a No Van vote. Jury seems weighted with those not of her In-crowd. NT
Grammy09/21/15 09:12 AM
x*Austin and Julia votes are 100% against her if she keeps Liz, so that argument isn't very strong. She might get Julia's vote if she takes Steve. NT
Nusa09/20/15 03:54 PM
*I know you can't really talk about this here in too much detail but I am curious what makes certain people like Vanessa and certain people hate her NT
kkiiji25328 81   09/19/15 01:00 PM
x*She's a very mixed bag for me. Many positives and negatives. One of the negatives that really turned me off is how she'll completely rewrite
JAF09/21/15 10:48 AM
x*Not to mention the episode with James they replayed where he said he thought she was playing too hard
Mikentosh09/21/15 11:01 AM
x*That took the cake. She's a good player, alright, but borders on cray. NT
BigGirlPanties09/21/15 11:58 AM
x*Here is the root of my dislike for Vanessa. A great player can recognize when a move, even if it is against them, is well played. Vanessa,
procheervet09/21/15 09:23 AM
x*Very well said... NT
Sizzle09/21/15 04:30 PM
x*I thought this was the most harmonious season in the house and on the boards that we have seen, with the exception of Season I. Don't know who picked
Grammy09/20/15 04:15 PM
x*I don't like her, and I don't hate her. I just wish she would be more straight-forward and revealing in her DRs. Part of that is not her fault -->
AuntieDee09/19/15 05:33 PM
x*I don't have a problem with her not being "revealing in her DR's." I simply don't like the way the issues orders and dislikes people who don't
Caramel09/19/15 08:05 PM
x*Exactly. Reminded me a bit too much of Amanda in that reapect. NT
BBAnnie09/23/15 04:46 PM
x*I've been going to some of Derrick's chats, and he said the reason he didn't always say in the DR what he was really planning is because
KarenC309/19/15 07:29 PM
x*I like her because I love how she analyses every situation. She was very entertaining to watch and was always thinking 10 steps ahead of everyone.
airam62609/19/15 02:04 PM
x*100% agree!!! Big Brother has NO rules that say you have to play nice or be kind or make friends with everyone. There's nothing that says you
txladybug09/19/15 02:24 PM
x*I don't hate Vanessa. But I don't root for Vanessa b/c she is BB's tease this year and refuse to oblige AG like she is the shepherd and I am a sheep.
Shea09/19/15 01:49 PM
x*I like her because she wears hats indoors NT
Blockhead09/19/15 01:32 PM
x*...and sunglasses NT
N2BB09/19/15 01:37 PM
x*FIRST, PLEASE move this thread to In-depth forum. It deserves to be there! I like Vanessa because I like how she thinks, and also she is how I
jube09/19/15 01:30 PM
x*.....
butterfly09/19/15 01:30 PM
x*LOL <3 NT
Dulcie09/19/15 01:32 PM
x*unlike what some say, I think she really cares for people and will help them if she can after the show , either with connections or anyway she can NT
JewelDesigner09/19/15 01:26 PM
x*i love also how she plays she has made this year for me, and love how she is logical with decisions... NT
JewelDesigner09/19/15 01:28 PM
x*Don't hate her, but can't stand the constant touting of her integrity and straight shooter BS. She is also hyper sensitive and entitled. Exhausting NT
momobingo09/19/15 01:22 PM
x*She mesmerized me. Like everything she did~every action &move, had a reason behind it & was thought out in advance. Never seen anything like it. NT
KatOnAHotPC09/19/15 01:18 PM
x*Though you must admit all these traits you like about her could be on a person who had a less ***** personality... right? NT
kkiiji09/19/15 01:19 PM
x*I loved her personality. NT
kmjm09/19/15 01:45 PM
x*Well, I know I wouldve been very bored this season w/o her. Could we be friends? That I don't know. Was she entertaining? THAT's a resounding YES! NT
KatOnAHotPC09/19/15 01:29 PM
x*BB is not exactly supposed to be a Miss Congenality contest NT
Dulcie09/19/15 01:27 PM
x*I thought it was a Avoid The Bitter Jury contest NT
Blockhead09/19/15 01:28 PM
x*Yep, half the game NT
SeeBB09/19/15 01:37 PM
x*Some say that, yes NT
Dulcie09/19/15 01:29 PM
x*My guess is that some people like her game play and others find people that constantly play the victim to be off putting. NT
WillettDrizzle09/19/15 01:17 PM
x*This! I picked her to win the first week of feeds and liked her...but the more the game went in and her playing the victim and not owing up
SeeBB09/19/15 01:24 PM
x*I personally do not like her or hate her but I KNOW she deserves to win because I believe she played the best game. NT
Brn2Wander09/19/15 01:15 PM
x*Feel the same. Have run both hot and cold with my feelings on her gameplay, but that is really all it is. She played harder than anyone else, imo. NT
TazzyD21109/19/15 01:19 PM
x*I don't hate her. Don't really hate any of them, but no fondness for Austin. Hard for me to hate people I don't know. Hate is a strong emotion. NT
TazzyD21109/19/15 01:14 PM
x*She was one of my early favs and played a good game. Just can't stand that she plays the victim card every chance she gets. Hate people like that. NT
ScottS09/19/15 01:09 PM
x*It's my biggest turn off ever personality wise. "I'm a victim, it's always somebody else's fault." Like, who raised you? NT
krh503809/19/15 01:12 PM
x*That. Nothing in there is happening more or in worse way to her than it is to anyone else. She just doesn't allow anyone else. NT
RileyO09/19/15 01:30 PM
x*The shame is that only hurt her game. She never needed to be like that since it did nothing for her and almost turned her alliance against her. NT
ScottS09/19/15 01:14 PM
x*Yup. She's very lucky. NT
krh503809/19/15 01:21 PM
x*Yeah I honestly think she is that way in real life too. It's almost impossible that she's not from watching her on the feeds. NT
kkiiji09/19/15 01:13 PM
x*Honestly? I like her because she constantly surprises me. I didn't start out a Van fan, but she seems to play 3-5 steps ahead of everyone else. NT
BucsGal09/19/15 01:08 PM
x*That may have hit the nail on the head for me. Maybe even 10 to 12 steps ahead of everyone else, you know??? NT
KatOnAHotPC09/19/15 01:20 PM
x*Yeah I quit trying to predict what would be better for Vanessa's game, her choices surprised me a lot but they always worked out NT
Dulcie09/19/15 01:14 PM
x*I like Vanessa cause she plays the game entertains us and does what she needs too even if its crying if peeps hate her they are jealous! NT
bella209/19/15 01:07 PM
x*"If peeps hate her they are jealous"...another reason why people hate her. NT
krh503809/19/15 01:09 PM
x*No one said that. NT
kmjm09/19/15 02:11 PM
x*because of her fans? Seriously? NT
Dulcie09/19/15 01:23 PM
x*No, because of her fans (or fans of anybody) who say stuff like that. It's insulting not to mention inaccurate. But that is just one of 100 reason NT
krh503809/19/15 01:41 PM
x*oh my bad, I thought you were saying people hate Vanessa because of her fans NT
Dulcie09/19/15 01:55 PM
x*she was my early favorite, constant whining/crying/emotional explosions turned me off completely
sleepless8809/19/15 01:07 PM
x*Lmao i just can't NT
AwfuLeeHandsome09/19/15 01:12 PM
x*HAHahahhahah NT
kkiiji09/19/15 01:11 PM
x*OMG! That's one of the best screen grabs I've seen all season. NT
Corndogger09/19/15 01:09 PM
x*yep, and not even photoshopped. that's all van. NT
sleepless8809/19/15 01:13 PM
x*It epitomizes the Vanessa polarization in one simple image NT
AwfuLeeHandsome09/19/15 01:13 PM
x*Can it be both? I think she's played an amazing game and guided almost every eviction. But I can't stand her endless explanations and tears. NT
Barbara109/19/15 01:06 PM
x*I adore Vanessa. I'm a fan of the game, that's why I watch, and she is an amazing player, I've enjoyed watching her. NT
butterfly09/19/15 01:04 PM
x*This is how I feel, too! And after watching her play poker, I like her even more!
N2BB09/19/15 01:19 PM
x*Same here NT
Emma109/19/15 01:08 PM
x*Typically I root for the rutheless mastermind types (Dan, Will, Derrick, Neda, Daneille, Alison, etc) but I just can't with Vanessa. NT
krh503809/19/15 01:07 PM
x*Like Vanessa is the same person, doesn't change, so it's the fans that are different. But different how? Why do some like her and some hate her? NT
kkiiji09/19/15 01:01 PM
x*From what I've seen some people seem to hate Vanessa b/c she interrogates people, fake cries too much, drug use, and her immoral lifestyle. NT
Corndogger09/19/15 01:04 PM
x*Am I wrong or didn't we find out the drug-use rumors were pretty much just that...rumors started by one trying to take the spotlight off himself? NT
KatOnAHotPC09/19/15 01:47 PM
x*What is considered immoral, gambling? NT
tonia7398609/19/15 01:06 PM
x*Yes, but I've seen her get bashed on Twitter for being a lesbian as well. For me I only dislike the fake crying--that's b/c she does it too much. NT
Corndogger09/19/15 01:08 PM
x*And here I live in Las Vegas too. LOL I'm a fan but admit she is extreme at times. Bias against sexuality is just ignorant in this day and age IMO. NT
tonia7398609/19/15 01:14 PM
x*Totally agree but sadly some people still do it. Just look back to the nasty comments people made about Audrey when the cast was announced. Lot
Corndogger09/19/15 01:21 PM
x*Exactly. And if she thinks crying is good strategy, it's not. She's lucky the people who can't deal with that weren't better players. NT
krh503809/19/15 01:10 PM
x*Right but she IS doing these things, and only some people seem to care about it, others either ignore it or like it? NT
kkiiji09/19/15 01:06 PM
x*I am more interested in results, and Vanessa has been cleaning house NT
Dulcie09/19/15 01:35 PM
x*somewhat ignore it but can't look away to see the outcome of it NT
koala09/19/15 01:33 PM
x*She is definitely a polarizing personality. I think her constant "I am loyal, I don't lie" spiel is what got to a lot of people. NT
chromebright09/19/15 01:04 PM
x*I don't understand that at all - that's the game. Is she supposed to tell people she's conning them? Out her alliances? NT
butterfly09/19/15 01:07 PM
x*Just because you are playing the game doesn't mean your personality can't stink while you do it. Though some people don't think this way. NT
kkiiji09/19/15 01:08 PM
x*She doesn't have to say either one of those. The problem isn't that she's trying to sell it to others, it comes across to many that she actually
krh503809/19/15 01:08 PM
x*That and her perpetual victim stance. I couldn't stand it in Audrey and I can't stand it in her. Or anybody IRL. NT
krh503809/19/15 01:05 PM
x*Most detractors seem annoyed she cries NT
Dulcie09/19/15 01:03 PM
x*She's a crying bully who interrogates the other HGs and doesn't own her game in the 5 second segments CBS shows of her DR sessions. NT
Blockhead09/19/15 01:07 PM
x*HG's have learned not to be honest in the DR. NT
N2BB09/19/15 01:23 PM
x*Different criteria for what people like in a HG. NT
krh503809/19/15 01:03 PM
x*Yeah probably this one. Some people seem to only care about strong ability to manipulate other house guests, which is fair I suppose. NT
kkiiji09/19/15 01:04 PM
*Vanessa, the puppet-master:
Vicky86753092403 9   09/19/15 08:29 AM
x*RE: Dr Will and Dan and Vanessa. The majority HGs of their season, Will & Dan's , seemed to genuinely like them. Vanessa ??? NT
Grammy09/20/15 03:58 PM
x*HG hated Will in Season 2. In All Stars Will was a production pick. America did not vote for him to be in All Stars. NT
tedismyhomeboy09/23/15 09:21 AM
x*The majority liked Vanessa. Considering she was always on the same side as the majority. Let's not forget, even S10 Dan wasn't the most popular HG...
TheFly09/20/15 08:55 PM
x*Excellent Post! My favorite: #6 getting Ju to choose A in Bowlerina - then convincing the twins afterwards that she was SO innocent! Masterful! NT
BBenthusiast09/19/15 02:38 PM
x*Yes she had some amazing moments in the game NT
Dulcie09/19/15 09:48 AM
x*All very true Vickey, but still not on par to Derick... NT
Sizzle09/19/15 09:44 AM
x*Hard to say. Last season seems like a cakewalk compared to this group. NT
ellenaj09/19/15 03:19 PM
x*I would have liked to see how Derrick did without Team America and with some actual gamers on par with Austin and Steve. NT
Vicky867530909/19/15 11:04 AM
x*Praise aside, she still has to win the last comp to actually win. Steve knows he has to take Liz to F2 to win himself. NT
Nusa09/19/15 09:41 AM
*How to Win When The Chips are Stacked Against You
Scarlettflame3309 16   09/18/15 02:38 PM
x*Can I Brag?? I top-posted on 7/30: "Steve & Vanessa F2", and proceeded to make my case. NOW, I Rest my case! 1st time in 17 BBseasons ......
BBenthusiast09/19/15 02:47 AM
x*BECAUSE Steve won the part 2 comp, I think Vanessa may actually take Steve to F2 if it's her choice. She'll still win. NT
Nusa09/19/15 09:47 AM
x*Whatever your smoking or drinking I want some..... NT
Sizzle09/19/15 10:07 AM
x*Notice that Vanessa is already asking Steve about telling Liz that they're taking each other.
Nusa09/19/15 12:23 PM
x*I would rather see an F2 with Vanessa and Steve. I know Steve won't take Vanessa if he wins P3, and hoping Vanessa will take him if she wins. NT
GazingEyes09/19/15 09:48 AM
x*You certainly may not!!! Steve is not in the F2 yet and Vanessa doesn't want Steve in the F2. So there :-) NT
Sizzle09/19/15 09:33 AM
x*Sizzle you may be right. Why? Well, Vanessa would never have had Julia's or Austin's vote. If she cuts Liz, Liz would vote for Steve. Steve would
GazingEyes09/19/15 10:10 AM
x*LOL BB after 17 seasons you've earned it! I hope to see your top post on Wednesday (I think). As I've previously stated I don't like Van's game...
dazyhazy09/19/15 09:18 AM
x*Same here DH... NT
Sizzle09/19/15 09:34 AM
x*Not trying to diminish Van’s game, but…
Mikentosh09/18/15 05:29 PM
x*Fantastic synopsis of her so-called game theory expertise NT
AwfuLeeHandsome09/19/15 12:48 PM
x*Totally agree with Mikentosh, it's a pretty succunct and dead-on accounting of what Vanessa's strategic game was and how her social game lacked. NT
rodh09/19/15 06:25 AM
x*There's truth in your description of what occurred. That being said if she's final 2 how would you feel if she won against either Liz or Steve? NT
dazyhazy09/18/15 05:51 PM
x*I’d much prefer Steve wins, but I’d be fine. There are far less deserving HGs than Van. NT
Mikentosh09/18/15 07:35 PM
x*I think if you have been reading the In-Depth Forum
Sizzle09/18/15 04:05 PM
x*Total agreement with you Sizzle. I don't like her game, nor do I enjoy watching her. BUT she's definitely worked her behind off. It appears to me that
dazyhazy09/18/15 05:04 PM
*Vanessa and this concept of "owning your game"...
Osei1733 11   09/18/15 11:36 AM
x*I think she played the best game for sure but that doesn't mean I want her to win. I can think she is a good game player and hate her at the same time
augieslimpo09/22/15 10:26 AM
x*Thank you and others, some of whom are not Vanessa fans, for being able to recognize the brilliance of her game. I have felt like I am watching a
Vicky867530909/18/15 11:12 PM
x*And we saw how far Dan's owning his game got him...second place. Jury members hate being made to look like fools more than they hate people not
tedismyhomeboy09/18/15 04:31 PM
x*BB14 Dan + Daniele vs. BB17 Vanessa + Steve. Two pairs...to get to F3.
BBenthusiast09/18/15 07:44 PM
x*If she wins, I still think she will be second to Derick.. NT
Sizzle09/18/15 03:58 PM
x*I agree with you 1000%. Great write up. NT
TheFly09/18/15 02:18 PM
x*I find that whole argument preposterous at this point. I mean, what is she supposed to say, "Excuse me while I fake cry so I can influence you to
jube09/18/15 11:53 AM
x*I agree. That stuff about her "sincere and heartfelt conversations" is laughable. Most of those people were just a means to an end, which is evidenced
Caramel09/18/15 08:32 PM
x*They were expendable pawns? She cried when Shelli and Clay were nominated. When they were nominated she didn't personally bash Clay to keep Shelli....
TheFly09/20/15 09:11 PM
x*Caramel I always enjoy reading your point of view. NT
dazyhazy09/19/15 09:55 AM
x*Nice post Carmel... NT
Sizzle09/19/15 09:23 AM
*Looking Back
Mikentosh475 1   09/17/15 04:34 PM
x*It's the 1st RHAPpy Hour (before the mane)
Mikentosh09/17/15 06:02 PM
*Examining Things From A Comfortable Chair In The Imaginarium
Mikentosh512 1   09/17/15 10:21 AM
x*Love your post Mike, you had me laughing at this one... NT
Sizzle09/17/15 11:06 AM
*Voting Irregularities?
Mikentosh869 6   09/17/15 09:29 AM
x*I haven't been able to vote since Tues. night. Emailed CBS twice and got their standard response tonight at 7:25 pm CMT
jannequin09/17/15 09:37 PM
x*We should tell them while they’re at it, to update the process so we can choose up to 20 once instead of one 20 times. NT
Mikentosh09/18/15 08:58 AM
x*I think it might be fixed, I just voted for JohnnyMac 10 times with no problem. Using Google Chrome as my browser. NT
Sizzle09/17/15 09:36 AM
x*Sizzle, you could've stopped at "I think it might be Fixed!"... NT
rodh09/17/15 07:26 PM
x*isn't that the truth NT
frustratedposter09/23/15 04:04 PM
x*I was able to vote on Tuesday night (during the show) and despite using different browsers on different networks (home & work) I keep getting the
JlynnB09/17/15 09:36 AM
*VANESSA...and the other two in F3
Sizzle5359 40   09/17/15 09:28 AM
x*I agree Sizzle with 99% of your assessment re Van. My only point of contention is I just can't bring myself to crown her queen. Perhaps Dictator? NT
dazyhazy09/17/15 01:08 PM
x*Why don't people call Dr Will a dictator? Oh right, he's male, and males' actions are judged by different standards... NT
jube09/18/15 06:32 AM
x*Any male who acted like Vanessa would be called a dictator too. This is just wishful thinking that Vanessa isn't liked just because she's a woman. NT
FurnitureAlliance09/19/15 06:20 PM
x*He's nothing like Vanessa NT
FurnitureAlliance09/19/15 06:18 PM
x*He was not called a dictator because he wasn't one. Never won an HOH so was never in charged. Steered people towards other targets but made them think
tedismyhomeboy09/18/15 09:46 AM
x*Exactly. And he remained charming, funny and very likable! No one seemed to be afraid of him because he didn't use intimidation. NT
Caramel09/19/15 08:00 PM
x*Whoa whoa jube. Will was funny, non threatening and the hg's enjoyed his antics. We're comparing apples and oranges here. As a female I've worked in
dazyhazy09/18/15 09:20 AM
x*Come on now jube, Dr Will played a totally different game. Vanessa's game is more like Evil Dick NT
Sizzle09/18/15 08:55 AM
x*She's nothing like ED either. She's a new type of 'victim' player with lots of 'reasons' NT
FurnitureAlliance09/19/15 06:22 PM
x*I couldn't disagree more! =) ED was pure meanness, no smarts there. Just intimidate people till they crumble. Vanessa is the opposite:
jube09/18/15 12:03 PM
x*Nobody hates her for doing 'bad' things. It's all about attitude. Will's loved because of the WAY he does 'bad' things. NT
FurnitureAlliance09/19/15 06:24 PM
x*Yes Sizzle I agree. NT
dazyhazy09/18/15 09:50 AM
x*I have to laugh and when I recover, I’ll strongly disagree, then I’ll ask you to consider Van in a season with E Dick.
Mikentosh09/18/15 09:22 AM
x*How can you remember that season and peoples names and what happened that clearly. Gosh, I cant remember last season that well LOL NT
Sizzle09/18/15 03:52 PM
x*I have a head full of useless $hit, Sizzle. NT
Mikentosh09/18/15 04:44 PM
x*I wouldn't compare her to ED. ED was mean and nasty, and didn't really care what people thought of him. Vanessa is the opposite in that she
JAF09/18/15 09:04 AM
x*But have you stopped to wonder how much of that "emotional fragility" is part of her game? Even Zingbot thought so. NT
jube09/19/15 05:53 AM
x*Meaning she's faking it? I don't think so. Maybe in one or two "performances" (sort of like Steve's that one time), but I don't
JAF09/19/15 03:23 PM
x*I do... NT
Sizzle09/19/15 06:15 PM
x*ITA,, NT
Sizzle09/18/15 03:53 PM
x*Mike I completely agree with you! NT
dazyhazy09/18/15 09:40 AM
x*dazyhazy, I know you know i'm being totally facetious when I call Vanessa a Queen... NT
Sizzle09/17/15 04:08 PM
x*Oh yeah Sizzle Lol NT
dazyhazy09/17/15 05:12 PM
x*L-O-L!! NT
BBenthusiast09/17/15 02:09 PM
x*Depending on what Part 2 comp is…
Mikentosh09/17/15 10:29 AM
x*True...
Sizzle09/17/15 11:13 AM
x*YES!!!
BBenthusiast09/17/15 10:52 AM
x*Yes BBenthusiast, i'm calling this one early... NT
Sizzle09/17/15 09:41 AM
x*Agree, Sizzle! Except for 1 thing...
BBenthusiast09/17/15 10:43 AM
x*Points Gleaned From Misguided, Maniacal Musings
Mikentosh09/17/15 01:24 PM
x*I could not disagree with you more
Sizzle09/17/15 04:26 PM
x*Sizzle I think you need to take into account he's 10 years younger then her. He did go to Cornell. He may not have continued...
dazyhazy09/17/15 08:05 PM
x*Steve spent almost 2 years at Cornell and then decided to pursue music so he transferred to Fredonia, still in NY. NT
Mikentosh09/17/15 06:06 PM
x*I stand corrected, but I heard him say he was going to FSU..At least I am pretty sure he did LOL
Sizzle09/17/15 07:03 PM
x*Music's my field! AND Fredonia has an outstanding music department with one of the best band programs in NY State! (That's Steve's thing!)
BBenthusiast09/18/15 08:15 AM
x*Mike hilarious and spot on as usual. I'll excuse your slight dis of women and respond with both twins had they been male would still be...
dazyhazy09/17/15 01:52 PM
x*Oh no BB Van is not a mensch. Brilliant BB player definitely. But for me she's meshuggah with way too much meshugaas! NT
dazyhazy09/17/15 01:22 PM
x*LOL -- OK, DH, I concede you've got a point!! NT
BBenthusiast09/17/15 05:13 PM
x*ITA! And not only is Steve not a comp beast, but he's not a great strategist either. Whether you think his "mumblings" are cute or annoying, they
jube09/17/15 11:29 AM
x*Agreed... NT
Sizzle09/17/15 04:28 PM
*JURY VOTES
JSDSandiego1204 7   09/16/15 08:08 PM
x*If Steve is in the F2, I may actually watch. Since I LOATHE both Vanessa and Skiz, if it is them, I am done for this season. NT
procheervet09/18/15 09:02 AM
x*I think Austin's attempt to poison the Jury is going to help Vanessa.
BucsGal09/18/15 06:19 AM
x*Liz did massive damage to her chances with nasty goodbye messages to them. I wouldn’t be so quick to give her their votes. NT
Mikentosh09/18/15 09:01 AM
x*IF....
BBenthusiast09/17/15 07:58 AM
x*I agree with everything except Liz winning. That won't happen. NT
BigGirlPanties09/17/15 06:04 AM
x*I think Liz winning over Steve a real possibility with the twin twist & her comp wins. NT
bb4peeker09/18/15 02:24 AM
x*don't think Liz beats either one. NT
somethinggood09/17/15 03:19 AM
*"Oh Johnny Boy", a famous Irish tune from Scranton, Pennsylvania.
BBenthusiast480 3   09/16/15 06:48 PM
x*Cheers! NT
KWren1109/16/15 09:28 PM
x*I'll get us another pint of Guiness and we'll do another round, my bonnie lass NT
Mikentosh09/16/15 07:50 PM
x*LOL at you both... NT
Sizzle09/16/15 09:25 PM
*Final HOH, here we are! Who do you think will win each of the 3 parts, and why?
jube762 3   09/16/15 06:46 PM
x*jube, that's so easy...
Sizzle09/16/15 09:21 PM
x*Okay, I'm going to take a shot at this...
JlynnB09/16/15 08:03 PM
x*JlynnB Great thought out response! NT
dazyhazy09/16/15 08:32 PM
*On another topic…
Mikentosh423 2   09/16/15 01:02 PM
x*Clicking the NT button has always just submitted the post without the preview step. It's only the CONTINUE button that does the
JAF09/16/15 03:03 PM
x*Anymore I barely remember yesterday but my recollection is that it only shows the number of replies for the op. As for the NT posts I've no idea NT
dazyhazy09/16/15 01:48 PM
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